Beth:
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The concept doesn't sound too bad, but its not exactly what I had in
mind -
I was aiming more for NRE level of galactic superpower, which is almost
completely incompatible with standard GZGverse;)
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Well, I've never hidden my discomfort with the NRE, but definitely considered
it in the 'different strokes' country. I'd say go for it.
As an aside, I don't recall seeing, and don't have the books here, but has
anyone suggested what would happen to Hawaii? Trying to sort out most of the
former US States is a bit of a yawn to me, but this seems to be something that
would be more challenging.
My impression is that many Hawaiians, even the separatists (yes, there are
some) have fond feelings towards Britain, so UK 'protection' would be a good
thing, but an OU might be very tempting.
As for the separatist movement, I recently found a t-shirt with the
supposed seal of the sovereign state of Hawaii, much to the chagrin of a
friend of Portuguese descent from Hawaii, and think it would look interesting
on a fleet of ships. Even if it is busy enough to require a large flat surface
on the
ship. ;->=
Anybody else give this thought?
The_Beast
> devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> As an aside, I don't recall seeing, and don't have the books here, but
This has been discussed extensively on the GZGpedia list. In the "area of
interest" of Japan, definitely, and has been since the USA
self-destructed. Sections (Large Sections) of the OU populace want it in
the Greater Polynesian Co-Prosperity Sphere rather than the Greater East
Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, but it's not worth going to war over, too
many vested interests in keeping the cosy Japan-OU relationship going.
Sections of the NAC also want the Sandwich Islands returned too.
As for the Hawaiians - the Japanese-descended want to keep things as
they are, many Native Hawaiians support the Bomb-throwing Sons of
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This has been discussed extensively on the GZGpedia list. In the "area of
interest" of Japan, definitely, and has been since the USA
self-destructed. Sections (Large Sections) of the OU populace want it in
the Greater Polynesian Co-Prosperity Sphere rather than the Greater East
Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, but it's not worth going to war over, too
many vested interests in keeping the cosy Japan-OU relationship going.
Sections of the NAC also want the Sandwich Islands returned too.
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I find this a shocker. The ESU isn't attempting to crush Japan imperialist
tendencies? No matter WHO supports them?
*shrug* I know, if I want to know about this, sign up on the 'pedia list. The
FH has gotten even wierder than I feared.
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As for the Hawaiians - the Japanese-descended want to keep things as
they are, many Native Hawaiians support the Bomb-throwing Sons of
Kamehameha and want a union with the OU, and there are even some USAians who
want to go back to the Good Old Days and the old US Constitution, or failing
that, the NAC Successor State.
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*whew* My sense of geopolitic, even in my backyard, is obviously totally
confused. Problem with having only been a tourist, obviously.
Thanks for the update.
The_Beast
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Nah, they're too busy being imperialists (having just taken South Korea and
parts of the CIS). <g>
The take over of Hawaii was more of an annexation than outright invasion, as
the US was falling apart. A large Japanese descended population and the
promise of law and order might
have made Japanese control attractive. Of course, not _everyone_ will
like it.
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> devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> The FH has gotten even wierder than I feared.
As weird as, say, the last 250 years?
Let's see, between 1750 and 1820 we have:
A German Dynasty on the British Thrown.
A Civil War leading to the partitioning of the First British Empire into the
New England Colonies and the rest.
The Louisiana Purchase, where the whole of French America, about 1/3 of
the continent, gets added to the aforementioned 13 original states,
making them a 2nd-rate power instead of 10th rate.
The most stable Monarchy in Europe first gets overthown (as happened in the
1640s in England), a primitive Communism gets set up, then THAT gets replaced
by a ruthless Military Dictatorship that comes within an ace of unifying
Europe 200 years early, then THAT gets replaced by the corrupt Monarchy
again...
The many nations of India get slowly unified under British rule.
Oh yes, Australia gets colonised by the Brits.
Meanwhile, just in the last 20 years, we have a total collapse of a world
order, the final act of the 75 years War, a replay of the Balkan Troubles of
1912, a return to an 18th century style of warfare with
> On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Alan E & Carmel J Brain wrote:
> So far I've seen nothing (with the _possible_ exception of the USA
No kidding. The unhappy fact is that history makes poor fiction...My favorite
two examples:
1. The original Kamikaze, the 'Divine Wind', a storm that conveniently wrecks
the entire Mongol invading fleet, thus preventing a massive invasion and
ground war in Japan. Throw this into a fictional history, and
people are going to accuse you of just copping out - no final
cataclysmic battles, no incredible feats of arms, nada.
2. The collapse of the USSR/Eastern Bloc. Imagine this as fiction:
"We've
got this big huge quasi-empire. Controls a significant percentage of the
globe through various means direct and indirect, has a big military, is seen
as a Real Threat. Then it seems to suddenly come apart, so that within a
single decade all it's component bits have gone their own way, and a number of
those component bits have further devolved into even smaller bits." Lousy
fiction, right? No clash of mighty armies,
not even a lot of fighting inside this quasi-empire, except in outlying
and isolated regions. The critics would pan it...
(The collapse of the Eastern Bloc/USSR is more complex than I've made it
seem. Still, the point holds...)
I suppose we shouldn't come down on people who hide Americans in deep space or
resurrect the Byzantine Empire...imagine what we'd say to someone who invented
a giant 'space storm' to wreck an opponent's invading fleets!
Of course, there's always the Spanish Armada. If I remember right, the Brits
destroyed some Spanish stores including a large number of seasoned barrels.
Not wanting to delay the invasion the Spanish use green wood for their
barrels. Consequently, a large number of Spanish get food sickness which
contributes to their defeat and destruction when they get hit by the storm
trying to escape.
I can't remember where I heard this and a Internet search didn't find it. I
could swear it was James Burke's Connections, but I'm not sure.
Nathan
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