[OT] Sevice

I got a message from Schoon today that his (USMC) unit is being deployed.

> At 10:32 PM -0500 1/12/03, Laserlight wrote:

Ack. Everyone's getting deployed for the real thing. I've had several
co-workers have their unit's activated as well as other folks.

If you're here and have been activated or are about to be, good luck and stay
safe. Keep your heads down and come back in one piece.

I was talking with a friend from work whose son's amphibious assault ship was
returning for R&R (US
Navy).  But only after off-loading all of the marines
and their equipment onto another ship.

> --- Ryan M Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> - Ryan Montieth Gill '01

On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:49:35 -0500 Ryan M Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
writes:
> At 10:32 PM -0500 1/12/03, Laserlight wrote:

Ditto that.

Although not my AOR (too far West) I know people here at work have been
working very conscientiously to prepare our products (although many hope they
don't have to be used; IIRC Ben Franklin said, "There never was a
good war or a bad peace" - but then he never war gamed!)

Hopefully the Department of State (and it's counterparts in other countries,
I'd even accept successful efforts from the fumble butt UN) can find a
peaceful solution (not that i'm betting on it...)

Gracias,

That's like "transferring units home" where the banners/flags/name goes
home and the guys who are still there magically become a different unit.

And just as appreciated... Gracias, Glenn

On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:16:33 -0800 (PST) Foxx Travis
> <lordkalvin2002@yahoo.com> writes:

That's what I thought.

I few days ago, another friend who just got out of the USMC in October said
his friends, who had three to six months more to go, were not being allowed to
leave the service, even though their terms were up. I didn't believe it, but
then read it in the Wall Street Journal. It's true!!
> --- Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@juno.com> wrote:
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> On 1/13/03 19:28, "Foxx Travis" <lordkalvin2002@yahoo.com> wrote:

> That's what I thought.

Oh yeah...that's happened several times in the last 10 or so years.;)

Sometimes they *really* want you to leave and other times they don't
*let*
you leave.

Damo

You serve at your country's need. And "getting out" doesn't protect you
- my old Boy Scout leader was a Navy corpsman assigned to PTO (Marines
of course)in WW2 and than was recalled for Korean War (and almost ended up in
combat again...) despite wife and kids. Necessity? His Corpsman
skill...

Gracias, Glenn

On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:28:14 -0800 (PST) Foxx Travis
> <lordkalvin2002@yahoo.com> writes:

This is called Stop Loss and has been in effect for quite some time in the
Army for specific specialties (SF and Aviation to name a few).

Los was trying to explain it to a friend of ours, they could not get the fact
that he could not leave.

Magic

PS Will be un-subbing sometime in the next 6 weeks.  I
have been designated for an overseas deployment as well. More info as events
warrant. (Course it might
give me time to do my FT-Littoral Ops and SAR that I
have been in the thinking stage on.

> --- Damond Walker <dwalker@syncreticsoft.com> wrote:

> --- Robert Makowsky <rmakowsky@yahoo.com> wrote:

They are playing games with us right now--we've gotten
orders, then had 'em cancelled (Damn Turks!), and are now going to California
for an NTC rotation next
month, with a possible follow-on to another big sandy.

> At 6:21 AM -0500 1/14/03, Glenn M Wilson wrote:

Of course, there is this one friend of mine here in Atlanta who's an
Army Airborne type (an E-5 I think). He was in for a good while in
the combat infantry arms side, then was out. The 9/11 crap hit the
fan and he was pulled back. He was rather excited as he figured he'd
get to run in some fun/dangerous ops (he thinks the latter is the
former) but....he was handed to CID here in Atlanta to supervise E-2s
or -3s that don't have any real combat experience.

Last I saw him (This past Summer at Dragon Con), he was running around Atlanta
in body armor, in the summer, doing CID stuff annoyed with being board. His
only excitement was being confronted by a Cop who wanted to know why someone
was running around in camo, body armor, and other gear while armed....needless
to say, he had to work
very carefully to keep his two E-2s from getting him killed by the
suddenly very touchy cop...

Somehow I think he'd rather have more than two greenhorn E-2s as
backup...

On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:03:07 -0500, Ryan M Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
wrote:

> Of course, there is this one friend of mine here in Atlanta who's an

Okay, could someone explain, or point to a source that explains, the
whole E-x
system in the US military? I was kind of confused with the S-2, S-3,
etc.
designations in _Band of Brothers_ but the DVD actually explains these.
Now,
what exactly are the various E- ratings? I believe they are ratings for
enlisted men, but what do they represent, and why have an E-number when
you could have a title?

> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 02:14:00PM -0600, Allan Goodall wrote:

> Now,

http://www.tesarta.com/www/resources/library/militaryrank.html

> and why have an E-number when you

In order that noncoms of different services (or specialisations) can easily
work out who's of a higher rank, I believe.

E= Enlisted O= Officer Number denotes pay grade

Army:

E-1 = Private/recruit
E-2 = Private
E-3 = Private, First Class (PFC)
E-4 = Specialist or Corporal
E-5 = Sergeant
E-6 = Staff Sergeant
E-7 = Sergeant, First Class
E-8 = Master Sergeant or First Sergeant
E-9 = Sergeant Major or Command Sergeant Major

Helps when discussing things across services (Like when a Captain (Army
O-3) is
talking to a Captain (Navy O-6). Or a Sergeant (Air Force E-4) is
working with
a Sergeant (Army E-5).  Also E-5 is easier to spell than Sergeant, and
everyone involved usually knows what you mean.

Michael Brown
CPT, Armor, USAR (O-3E)
Retired

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How about the ranking and titles in other nations militaries?
> --- Michael Brown <mwbrown@sonic.net> wrote:

You're on your own! Heck, I don't think I could do the Air Force and Navy
completely. And then there are the Marines!

I think it is also a US thing to use grades instead of rank.

Michael Brown

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> At 3:19 PM -0800 1/14/03, Foxx Travis wrote:

That gets more complex and gap-ish.

For example, in the British Army, they progress as Pvt, Lance Cpl, Cpl, Sgt,
Staff Sgt, WO 2nd, WO 1st. The US However, adds sgt, staff sgt, sgt 1st class,
1st sgt, between the British Cpl and Sgt ranks with a US master sgt being
equivalent to Sgt in the British army.

see
http://www.av8.org/av8fst-uk/ranks.html

This was USAF in 1970's (some apparently have changed?)

On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:22:07 -0800 Michael Brown <mwbrown@sonic.net>
writes:
> E= Enlisted
Airman First Class????
> E-4 = Specialist or Corporal

The E system keeps it relatively simple (try comparing to USN/USMC
ranks.)

USAF/US Army  Commissioned Officers

(The Army but not the Air Force has a Warrant Officer level too [W-1
through W-4] , just to make it 'interesting'...)

O-1
2nd Lt.
O-2
First lt.
O-3
Captain
O-4
Major
O-5
Lt. Col.
O-6
Col.
O-7 plus
Generals of various flavors

Gracias,

Canister of Nematodes alert!

On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:19:28 -0800 (PST) Foxx Travis
> <lordkalvin2002@yahoo.com> writes:

> --- Foxx Travis <lordkalvin2002@yahoo.com> wrote:

Which ones do you want?

I have:

Serbia Serbian Police Hungary Lithuania Russia Slovakia Ukraine

Got pictures with no titles of the rank for practically every European country
and Argentina in my KFOR Handbook.

> --- Michael Brown <mwbrown@sonic.net> wrote:

> CPT, Armor, USAR (O-3E)
^^^

And the E on the end of the ossifer pay grades indicates that the ossifer in
question once upon a time did a real job.

> --- Roger Burton West <roger@firedrake.org> wrote:
http://www.tesarta.com/www/resources/library/militaryrank.html

For ossifer rank, look at:

http://www.friesian.com/rank.htm

for a brief historical overview. Excellent site in general, especially in the
area of the interconnectedness of history. Fine Roman history section, also.

http://www.friesian.com/romania.htm

> --- Allan Goodall <agoodall@hyperbear.com> wrote:

> what exactly are the various E- ratings? I believe

E-numbers refer to a pay grade which is uniform across
the services. It's how much I get paid. This matters when:

1)Multiple ranks occupy the same pay grade.

2)Multi-service organizations need to decide who's in
charge, the Army Sergeant or the Air Force Sergeant
(answer:  The Army Sergeant is an E-5, so he's in
charge of that punk E-4 Air Farce Sergeant).

> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:24:48 -0800 (PST)
When you enlist in the armed forces you actually signup for more years then
you serve. When I signed up you may have signed up for 3 or 4 years but you
contracted for 6 years. Today you contract for 8 years. I think that that time
can be involintaryily expanded but only if war is declaired (not since WWII).

John,

Same thing they are doing to us. I was tapped to go on a cutter at the end of
the month, now we are on hold and may not go until later. Tough to keep folks
motivated through the hurry up and waits.

Congratulations on SGT! Great work!

Bob Makowsky

> --- John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com> wrote: