[OT] physics help

5 posts ยท Apr 29 1999 to Apr 30 1999

From: Robertson, Brendan <Brendan.Robertson@d...>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:06:27 +1000

Subject: RE: [OT] physics help

1202.9 m/s

Thats if I got the mass right (200,000,023 kg?)

I found a useful website with a java calculator that does this.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/8821/telescope.html

'Neath Southern Skies - http://users.mcmedia.com.au/~denian/
Commodore Alfred K Hole - RNS Indy's Folly (CB)
Task Force Admiral Peter Rollins - RNS Waterloo (MKW)
Fleet Admiral Alberto Doyle - NKV Vesuvius (LFI)

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From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:46:48 -0400

Subject: [OT] physics help

I'm trying to figure the escape velocity for Alarish. Diameter = 5103km
(.4
Earth), mass is 2.08E+23kg (.034795 Earth), density = 3g/cm^3  .
Applying the formula in Gillett's Worldbuilding, p12 (the simplified form,
k*r*sqrt
rho), I get .208 km/sec  ... however, comparing it to Ganymede, Io, etc,
I
suspect it ought to be more like .3km/sec.  Help?

From: Thomas Anderson <thomas.anderson@u...>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:17:49 +0100 (BST)

Subject: Re: [OT] physics help

> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Laserlight wrote:

> I'm trying to figure the escape velocity for Alarish. Diameter =

i'm going to rake over some physics i haven't done for about a year now, so
please don't laugh too hard.

now, lessee. escape velocity is the velocity needed to break out of a planet's
gravity well, so:

v escape velocity m mass of escaping object E gravitational potential energy
of object

E       =       mv^2/2
v       =       (2E/m)^(1/2)

now

P gravitational potential of object

E = mP
v       =       (2P)^(1/2)

and

G = gravitational constant M = mass of body r = radius of body

P       =       GM/r

v       =       (2GM/r)^(1/2)

in the case of velikiy alarish,

> I'm trying to figure the escape velocity for Alarish. Diameter =

G       =       6.67259 * 10^-11 m^3/s^2kg
M = 2.08 * 10^23 kg
r       =       5103 * 10^3 / 2 m
= 2.552 * 10^6 m

v       =       (2GM/r)^(1/2)
        =       (2*6.67259e-11*2.08e23/2.552e6)^(1/2)
        =       3.298 * 10^3 m/s

> Applying

references i found for ganymede give an escape velocity of 2.74 km/s:

http://galileo.ivv.nasa.gov/ganymede/index.html
http://library.advanced.org/18188/ie_english/planets/jupiter/moons/ganym
ede.htm

and also give ganymede's mass and radius as 1.48e23 kg and 2.633e6 m
respectively, which, plugged into my formula, give an escape velocity of
2.74 km/s, which is reassuring.

this is quite a good match to the 3.30 km/s for alarish, given alarish's
greater mass and smaller radius. anyway, the figure of 0.208 km/s for
alarish is way out.

now,

d density v volume

d       =       M/v

.PI. erm, pi

v       =       4/3.PI.r^3      (for a sphere)
d       =       3M/(4.PI.r^3)
3M/d    =       (4.PI.r^3)
M       =       4.PI.dr^3/3

v       =       (2GM/r)^(1/2)
        =       (8G.PI.dr^2)^(1/2)
        =       r(8G.PI.d)^(1/2)
        =       (8G.PI.)^(1/2)rd^(1/2)

which is your k*r*sqrt(rho) equation, provided that

k       =       (8G.PI.)^(1/2)
        ~=      41 * 10^-6

it's possible that the equation in the book is in different units; that would
seem to be a prime contender to me.

Tom

From: Thomas Anderson <thomas.anderson@u...>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:29:12 +0100 (BST)

Subject: RE: [OT] physics help

> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Robertson, Brendan wrote:

> 1202.9 m/s

perversely enough, this isn't the result i got when i put the data into the
form you mention, and neither your or my result from the form match the
results i calculated, which in turn do not match laserlight's original value.
having looked at the form's code, i have to report a highly suspect value for
the universal gravitational constant there, if i bung in the numbers for
ganymede, i get an escape velocity about 100 times larger than lightspeed. and
yet you seem to have got an answer in the right order of magnitude. weird.

Tom

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:28:38 -0400

Subject: Re: [OT] physics help

> 1202.9 m/s

Um, no.  The mass is 2.08 * 10^23 kg, not 2*10^8 + 23 kg.