On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:42:50 -0600 (CST) "Mark A. Siefert: LORD OF ALL
> EVIL!" <cthulhu@csd.uwm.edu> writes:
Bummer dood. I learned the hard way, you don't go out with someone you might
not want to marry. Her bad. Hang in there, I've been married 11 years this
June, we've had some tough times, but we're getting there. The only failures
are the ones who don't get up after falling down.
"This is a practice life. If this was a real life, you would have been given
instructions!"
Hang in there.
On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:34:20 -0800 Michael Llaneza <maserati@flash.net>
writes:
> Romance is dead in the nineties. The "shower a girl with roses and
NOT!!!!!!!!!!! Heh, it still works on my wife after, ummm, sheesh, can it
really be 14 years!? Seriously, it depends on the woman. You gotta get to know
one for a couple of months at the least first.
OK, for both of who were on the Mark A. Siefert suicide watch, my thanks for
your sympathy and support...
I've finally calmed down to the point were I can talk about what happened. At
the time, I had only been out with this girl twice. Everything was going quite
well and we were even getting to the point where we started smooching a few
times
Then, I made a deadly mistake: I sent her a dozen long-stemmed roses
via FTD.
This monday she took me aside to tell me that the gift was way over the top.
She said there was a "misunderstanding," she didn't think of me that way, and
that she just wanted to be friends.. you all know the rest.
I've been told that finding love is similar to the way a great detective
solves a crime: You gather clues, interview witnesses, follow leads; but most
of the time you rely on blind, stupid LUCK.
Unfortunetly, I'm not very lucky (as anyone who has seen my FT dice rolls can
tell you). By the time I deduce that it was Miss. Scarlet in the conservatory
with the lead pipe, Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot, and even Brother Cadfael
have apprehended her and all the other suspects.
Maybe it's time I hung up my deerstalker and magnifying glass.
Later,
> OK, for both of who were on the Mark A. Siefert suicide watch, my
Ah, the "F" word, the one thing that any male does NOT want to hear from a
female he likes a lot....
> I've been told that finding love is similar to the way a great
I believe it was much more likely to have been Colonel Mustard in the broom
closet with the French Maid, but we won't go into that....
> Maybe it's time I hung up my deerstalker and magnifying glass.
Keep your chin up, Mark. It WILL get better.
Jon (GZG)
> "[Like] fire and fusion, government is a dangerous servant and a
> "Mark A. Siefert: LORD OF ALL EVIL!" wrote:
Relax. A dozen roses was over the top after two dates. One rose would have
been fine.
Send her a nice note card in a week.
And ask her out again in two weeks.... even if it has to be a dutch date.
Romance is dead in the nineties. The "shower a girl with roses and chocolates"
style of courtship simply doesn't work anymore. If I ever figure out what
does, listmembers will get a discount on my book...
> At 4:32 PM -0800 3/24/99, Jon Davis wrote:
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
> >Unfortunetly, I'm not very lucky (as anyone who has seen my FT dice
What is Brother Cadfael doing looking for love?!?!?!
> I believe it was much more likely to have been Colonel Mustard in the
Yeah, play it like, "hey I didn't mean to be pushy and let's have a
make-up
lunch....."
Then slowly, but surely, reel her in..
Michael Wikan Game Design Slave Zero Accolade, Inc.
http://www.slavezero.com
mwikan@accolade.com wikan@sprintmail.com "We sleep safely in our beds because
rough men stand ready in the night to
visit violence on those who would do us harm."-George Orwell
> -----Original Message-----
> On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Michael Llaneza wrote:
> Romance is dead in the nineties. The "shower a girl with roses and
... otherwise known as trying to buy your way "in". Of course it doesn't work
nowadays.:)
> If I ever
Good grief, is everyone *really* this clueless? <Grinning and ducking thrown
bricks>
*LISTEN* to her. Find out what her likes & dislikes are, then do enough
research to know something about those subjects yourself. Take an interest in
what she does. Spending *your* time and attention on *her* interests and
activities will do it almost every time.
BTW, don't expect her to reciprocate - that comes later. :)
Also, if you find that you don't enjoy doing the things that she does,
well -
better to find it out up front and bail out early (enlightened self interest).
> Romance is dead in the nineties.
Hey speak for yourself!
Beth 'I held off a rose induced sneezing attack until after Derek left' Fulton
> Jon Davis wrote:
> > >Unfortunetly, I'm not very lucky (as anyone who has seen my FT dice
I was trying to be ironic. Besides, Cadfael slept around quite a bit while he
was on crusade and before he took his vows. He even sired an illegitimate son.
> At 11:01 AM 3/25/99 +1000, you wrote:
Fulton
I tend to agree. I know of many people that are still very romantic.
And as for the comment on the buying a girl's affections. It has been my
experience at least that women don't want to be bought anymore. But they are
practically starved for attention. And
Roses/chochalates/cards
are just one avenue to give them attention. I've never seen such as a purchase
of affection, but a proper expression of affection of the guy's part. Which
women like.
Of course, women being women this will never hold true in all cases, and can
have the opposite effect.;)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Wikan wrote:
Exactly!
In fishing terms, I think you tried to set the hook too soon.
> Romance is dead in the nineties. The "shower a girl with roses and
"Mist" not "shower". Lots of "little thoughtful things" work better than one
outstanding gesture.
Read _Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus_. And pay attention.
If you find yourself saying "That can't possibly be right" when you read some
of the Venusian/Martian translations, you may chalk up your incredulity
to inexperience. There are other recommended books but that's the best I've
run across. (if you want the others, respond off list, as this is entirely
off topic--if I am deluged with requests, I'll post it all to my web
page) Reading minds is better but it takes a while to get the knack and can be
tiring. (And yes, I know it should be "Cytherean" or "Venerean" rather than
"Venusian" but I didn't write the book).
Then, when you go back to her--if you are so inclined--use restraint
and
sang-froid, rather than a bludgeon. Determine what she enjoys, and do
it. Be prepared to talk about it. If you can't stand doing it, you're with the
wrong person. Males tend to bond by "doing things together"; while females
tend to bond by "talking about things". Or start fresh with someone else. I'd
have to say the best use I ever had for a dozen roses was to give them to my
dean's secretary while I was in college. It was her
birthday--that was pure luck on my part--and ever after I found my
paperwork had a way of getting approved, even if it happened to be just a few
days after the deadline.