> Hence the need to respect American sensibilities. I
Just $0.02 before this thread ends...
I live beside Camp Lejeune, NC and work with a lot of
ex-military types who share John and Brian's
sentiments. But when you look at the people my age group (20's) there is a
very distinct lack of any sort
of sentiment other than self-interest. On top of
that, a good majority of the population (at least in
this part of the USA) is part-Hispanic or black and
they have more ties to their ethnic background than to the USA. Take these
trends a few years into the future and you may end up with a situation where
anti-monarchy patriotism has become an insignificant
minority.
Something interesting I've noticed about myself recently is that my pride in
my country and my patriotism has increased as I've gotten older. When I
was a 20-something I was typically self-centered and anything outside of
my current sphere of interest was irrelevant to me. I think this is fairly
typical. It would be interesting to check back on your generation in about 10
years after the majority of them are married and have kids and see how they
feel about their country.
Bill
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> Hence the need to respect American sensibilities. I
Just $0.02 before this thread ends...
I live beside Camp Lejeune, NC and work with a lot of
ex-military types who share John and Brian's
sentiments. But when you look at the people my age group (20's) there is a
very distinct lack of any sort
of sentiment other than self-interest. On top of
that, a good majority of the population (at least in
this part of the USA) is part-Hispanic or black and
they have more ties to their ethnic background than to the USA. Take these
trends a few years into the future and you may end up with a situation where
anti-monarchy patriotism has become an insignificant
minority.
Jakim
> Something interesting I've noticed about myself recently is that my
When I
> was a 20-something I was typically self-centered and anything
I've heard it said, "When you're 20, if you're not a liberal, there's
something wrong with your heart. When you're 40, if you're not a
> --- Laserlight <laserlight@quixnet.net> wrote:
> I've heard it said, "When you're 20, if you're not a
Churchill said it but not in those exact words.
> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:56:17 -0600 bbrush@unlnotes.unl.edu writes:
When you are 'young' you know the world revolves around you. After it beats
you or yours 'unfairly' several times you realize that overall it doesn't even
know you are there. And certainly wouldn't care if it did.
That said:
I think it depends on age, how you were raised, and self-image.
This from a man who is (officially at work) Hispanic, with a grandmother
who was Cherokee/Irish but insisted the family was White because there
was future in letting people know you were anything else, and "Anglo" in my
Mexican Aunt's eyes.
But then I was bashed as a conservative in Los Angeles and a Liberal in Saint
Louis so maybe there is no label that is realistic. <grin>
Anyway, in my family traditions (and they have near force of law there, Beth,
just to make your other question expand) it *barely* acceptable that I opposed
the Vietnam war but no one blinked when I enlisted in the
USAF when the choice seemed "be drafted or go to Canada." My mother
actually said "My country, right or wrong" (on Vietnam) right after finishing
a tirade about the way this country treated her Nisei girl friends and
neighbors during WW2.
One can be 'patriotic' and disagree desperately with the decision of a
particular government. The issue comes down to the servant leader idea.
Leaders are servants. At least that is what the grandma above taught me by
deeds more then words. Being drafted (or enlisting) is accepting that servant
leader role, whether it's in the armed forces, head of household, or politics
(at this point the analogy has a few probelms in this day and
age...)
But we are so far off topic that I am going to stop at this point.
Gracias,