[OT] Interesting Facts of Canadian Military Life

7 posts ยท Jan 20 2003 to Jan 27 2003

From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>

Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:37:33 -0500

Subject: [OT] Interesting Facts of Canadian Military Life

Glenn joked: Canada has an army big enough to require Generals? Oh, that's
classified, right?

[Tomb] Glenn, you probably don't realize
this, but at one point, we had more
generals (flag rank people) per soldier (non-
flag rank) than anyone else in NATO: 1 per 1000 men in uniform. The nearest
competitor was Denmark or someone with 1 per 27000 or something like that. We
actually joked about forming up an infantry company of flag rank officers at
NDHQ for emergency purposes before we realized that the logistics tail would
be... unmanageable to say the least. I think we've trimmed back some since the
heyday, but the idea was that we'd have enough general staff to quickly fill
out the forces in times of crisis (like maybe if WW1 happened again....). This
doctrine failed to note the fact that in today's world, trained *soldiers* is
what takes time to produce and that you can't just stick a rifle in a guys
hand and make him a good infantryman overnight. That takes time and training.
And its worse in other trades.

And as for your comments about the Militias just south of the border, that
actually makes a surprising amount of sense. But acquiring surplus webbing in
Canada (even to replace bits of your own issued kit that had "gone walkabout")
was a challenge. I eventually ended up with two full sets, but it took me
years to acquire them. And one whole set was "permanently borrowed" by someone
in my unit who quietly faded out with no forwarding address.

Besides, the Yankee Militias wouldn't like our gear for compatibility reasons.
I don't think (haven't seen latest US LBE) that we use the same clip
arrangements. US used ALICE clips far longer than we did. The sad part is,
they might have been better. The webgear I used required certain pouches to be
present to hook together at all (unlike most of the older yokes) and they used
plastic clips which tended to get nubs broken off during installation.

Now, mind you, the new load bearing equipment (the vests) look very cool and
very adaptable, but I haven't actually got to handle any of those yet. And of
course, I'm sure the pam for building your LBE is still a
matter of need-to-know.... :)

Tomb "Too many generals spoil the army"

From: Morton Chalom <telson@a...>

Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:49:52 -0500

Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting Facts of Canadian Military Life

> [Tomb] Glenn, you probably don't realize

Ohhh... so is Canada the "Major Power in the late 20th Century" mentioned by
Heinlein in Starship Troopers when he refers to having so many officers that
they wanted insignia to denote which were Line Officers?

I have often wondered what was the story behind that.

From: Don M <dmaddox1@h...>

Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:09:15 -0600

Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting Facts of Canadian Military Life

More Field Marshals than fields to hold um lol.

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From: Brian Burger <yh728@v...>

Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:24:12 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting Facts of Canadian Military Life

> On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Morton Chalom wrote:
mentioned
> by Heinlein in Starship Troopers when he refers to having so many

We don't really qualify as a "Major Power"... and I think the
too-many-non-line-officers problem is standard issue to most modern
militaries, simply because of the massive logistical efforts involved.
(Meaning logistics in the broadest possible sense, not just
battlefield/theatre supply but EVERYTHING a military does that might
need
an officer's authority but doesn't involve field/line duties
directly...)

TomB's comments were specifically about flag officers - Generals,
Admirals, and other creatures of that exhalted rank. Apparently we have too
many of those...

I've also thought that a 'Starship Troopers' style military would, in
over-reacting against the too-many-non-line-officers problem, cut into
it's efficiency quite drastically. Too many REMFs is bad, but you need a
certain number to actually make the machine work, otherwise you wind up
with "line" officers spending all their time on admin/etc anyway...

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:35:14 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting Facts of Canadian Military Life

> On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Morton Chalom wrote:

The US Army's Combat Leader Identification, aka "Green
Tab" is the item in question.  AR 670-1 Para 28-20.

From: Nicholas Caldwell <nicholascaldwell@e...>

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:30:10 -0500

Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting Facts of Canadian Military Life

And before we Americans get too snooty about this, at one point in the past 20
years or so we had 2 Admirals per ship in the Navy (I forget the exact
ratio -- it was actually 2.15 or something similar).  That's per ship,
including auxiliaries, not per fighting ship.

Nick Caldwell

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From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:33:14 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting Facts of Canadian Military Life

That's a less than admiralble ration. ;-)

--- Nicholas Caldwell <nicholascaldwell@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> And before we Americans get too snooty about this,