> Turkish/Greek coffee really is evil. And as you say, don't ever, EVER
I'm of the Tea persuasion rather than Coffee, but a few observations:
a) Until Starbucks (or whatever the name of that chain is) opened up here in
January, I hadn't realised how weak US coffee is. Plenty of USAians who
visited here had commented on how strong Australian coffee is, but the
corollary hadn't registered. Maybe it's because most of the coffee I've ever
drunk has been in Germany or Holland, where it's of equal strength. Say two
heaped-to-the-limit
teaspoons of Nescafe to a standard cup, 5 grains of salt, no stronger.
b) Turkish Coffee isn't that bad, even the last third. The few cups of it I've
had were fairly consistent - the top few millimetres were liquid, the
rest a fairly uniform gritty slush. Use Kaiserlink beans from Queensland (or
for that matter, Jamaica Blue Mountain if you can afford it) and it's somewhat
strong. But even then not the Evil Sludge that's been mentioned. IMHO anyway.
Maybe I'm just insensitive to caffeine. Last time I had a cup of coffee was
last century anyway. Earl Grey's more my tipple. Sometimes with a dash of
Benedictine.
The obligatory attempt to bring this on-topic *:
a) What is the Effect of Combat Drugs in SG2.
b) Trading in the Tuffleyverse: high-value commodities such as coffee
beans could make even small quantities of trade at high cost quite feasible.
* I've mad a personal resolution to try to make at least a token effort to
steer any OT post I make back on topic, to avoid giving offense.
Alan E Brain
> I'm of the Tea persuasion rather than Coffee, but a few observations:
I like a good tea myself.
> a) Until Starbucks (or whatever the name of that chain is) opened up
Starbuck's is McCoffee. Ironically, it's particularly reviled here in the
PNW where it originated. We're a weird region - like our coffee and our
beer both stronger than Middle America prefers.
Plenty of USAians who visited
> here had commented on how strong Australian coffee is, but the
Ugh. That barely qualifies as tea. Or as potable.
> b) Turkish Coffee isn't that bad, even the last third. The few cups of
Just because it's evil and it's sludge doesn't mean it's bad. And if ground
correctly for Turkish, it's not that gritty either.
> Maybe I'm just insensitive to caffeine. Last time I had a cup of coffee
My wife prefers English Breakfast, I'm a Darjeeling fan myself.
> The obligatory attempt to bring this on-topic *:
You're still trying? What a trooper!
> a) What is the Effect of Combat Drugs in SG2.
What about the discovery of indigenous plants that give coffee/Tobacco
etc. a run for their money in the popular vices field?
3B^2
> --- Alan E Brain <aebrain@webone.com.au> wrote:
> b) Turkish Coffee isn't that bad, even the last
In that case it's not like Greek. Greek is liquid all the way through except
the last few mm.
> John Atkinson wrote:
Actually in that case it's not well-made turkish either. Turkish is
ground to roughly the consistency of talcum powder. Sometimes they add
cardamom to it (I THINK that's the right spice), and they definitely use
sugar. such fine grain grounds drop to the bottom, unless you use coarser
coffee or too much in the brew.
3B^2
From: "Brian Bilderback" <bbilderback@hotmail.com>
> Starbuck's is McCoffee
Well put.
> Maybe it's because most of the coffee I've ever drunk has been
> Ugh. That barely qualifies as tea.
?? Not strong enough or what?
> Or as potable.
In Holland, they then add "Karnemelk" - Buttermilk - to it.
> >b) Turkish Coffee isn't that bad, even the last third. The few cups
> Just because it's evil and it's sludge doesn't mean it's bad. And if
It's "gritty" the way Cadbury's chocolate is "gritty", compared with the
hideous slither-down-the-throat textureless sweetness of Hershey's.
"Gritty" like talc, not like sand.
> >Maybe I'm just insensitive to caffeine. Last time I had a cup of
Indicating that you both have good taste. (Of course a REAL afficionado would
have me telling why I prefer Fortnum & Mason's Earl Grey blend to Twining's,
whiole preferring Twinings for nearly everything else, but that's a
digression)
> >The obligatory attempt to bring this on-topic *:
People have told me I'm very trying at times.
> >a) What is the Effect of Combat Drugs in SG2.
Good point. Or colonists like ultra-orthodox Mormons who consider mildly
> From: "Alan and Carmel Brain" <aebrain@webone.com.au>
> > Starbuck's is McCoffee
Thank you. Things like Coffee, whiskey, food, etc., should be distinctive to
each region, and to each maker of it. Starbuck's isn't BAD, per se, it's just
bland and uniform, which IMNSHO is worse than bad.
> > >Say two
Not hardly. Plus I have bigger issues with instant than with Starbucks.
I
can only think of 1 good use for instant coffee for my self, as a topping for
ice cream.
> > Or as potable.
Ok, that's going from bad to worse. My mom LOVES buttermilk, I hate it, but it
is a great baking ingredient.
> It's "gritty" the way Cadbury's chocolate is "gritty", compared with
Well put.
> > My wife prefers English Breakfast, I'm a Darjeeling fan myself.
We're Americans. Be glad we've come THIS far. ;-)
3B^2
> At 8:57 AM -0800 3/22/02, Brian Bilderback wrote:
Which is why I like having a friend who does fancy things with the
coffee. One is the MX-Missile (something of a triple Cafe Cubano with
power and additional shots of espresso). He's in Chicago now, so I don't have
access to my old crack.
> Not hardly. Plus I have bigger issues with instant than with
How about as an ingredient for Ranger Coffee or Brownies?
> We're Americans. Be glad we've come THIS far. ;-)
Hey, some of us actually have single estate teas in our cupboards...Heck, one
of them is something like $12 per 2 ounces....
> Ryan M Gill wrote:
> Which is why I like having a friend who does fancy things with the
Sounds like good stuff.
> Not hardly. Plus I have bigger issues with instant than with
Never heard of the one, never tried the other.
> Hey, some of us actually have single estate teas in our
I don't think I own ANYTHING worth $12 an ounce. Not that I don't have the
taste for it, just not the budget.
3B^2
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:
> > Or as potable.
Errr, you're the only person I;ve ever heard of who does that?;)
Cheers,
> At 07:40 PM 3/22/02 +1100, Alan wrote:
> Good point. Or colonists like ultra-orthodox Mormons who consider
Are there any such Mormons down under? 'Cause here in the heart of Mormondom
we eat lots and lots of chocolate (normally in ice cream form).
> Don Greenfield wrote:
We're talking about a sci-fi future where any group may take any
doctrine and overdo it.
'Cause here in the
> heart
I spent 8 years living in Southern Idaho, had a higher% of the population that
was Mormon than most parts of Utah. The stricter ones tended to avoid Cola,
coffee, etc., anything with caffeine, along with Tobacco and alchohol.
It seemed to be a belief practiced in degrees. An "Ultra-Orthodox
Sect" on another planet may just, as mentioned above, take it to an extreme.
3B^2
From: "Derk Groeneveld" <derk@cistron.nl>
> > In Holland, they then add "Karnemelk" - Buttermilk - to it.
Funny, it was done all the time at HSA in 1986.
From: "Don Greenfield" <gryphon@sisna.com>
> >Good point. Or colonists like ultra-orthodox Mormons who consider
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:31:35 -0800 "Brian Bilderback"
> <bbilderback@hotmail.com> writes:
(as another Evangelical - Presbyterian ilk - I must note that you forgot
to mention that "rebuking" usually by the self annointed... I mean
appointed... is done publicly and in a very loud voice... <grin>)
But then our Spanish instructor at work is a Tejana (female,
Mexican-American, childhood in Texas) whose father is a Protestant
Pastor. And her now husband had to ask permission ("No" the first time) to
date her in college and the brother went along as chaperone, of course, the
whole time they were dating.
For the SFRPG types, imagine *that*scenario in your game...
> I'm sorry, not eating chocolate and coffee is the extreme!
Well, **eating** coffee seems pretty extreme itself...
But then I don't drink it either so what do I know?
> Well, yeah.
Gracias,
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:
> At 11:20 PM -0500 3/22/02, Glenn M Wilson wrote:
Chocolate Covered Coffee Beans rock....