[OT] Imperial Storm trooper

10 posts ยท Dec 10 2003 to Dec 11 2003

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:20:23 +0100 (CET)

Subject: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

Hello everybody

The US are working on new soldiers' uniform and equipment::
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/031207/photos_ts_afp/0312
07214302_4o43xni1_photo0

Fuller story here:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/us_military_uniforms

No film merchandise copyright infringement intended, I suppose ;-)

Question to our experts: What kind of rifle (?) is he carrying?

Greetings Karl Heinz

From: Stuart Ford <smford@e...>

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:46:34 -0600

Subject: Re: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

Karl,

I believe it's just a generic mockup of a future rifle.

In reality the future soldier would be carrying an XM8 or XM29 weapon system.
(Stats available here http://world.guns.ru/assault/ )

If anyone else has a legitimate clue, let me know! =)

From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:14:22 -0500

Subject: Re: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

> Stuart Ford wrote:

Not available for me!

Oh well.

Mk

> If anyone else has a legitimate clue, let me know! =)

From: Stuart Ford <smford@e...>

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:18:59 -0600

Subject: Re: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

Sorry all...

try this one http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm  they don't have a
main page for their site.

Stuart
[quoted original message omitted]

From: Kevin Balentine <kevinbalentine@m...>

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:19:07 -0600

Subject: Re: Re: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

If you go to http://world.guns.ru/ you should be able to get in.

> From: Indy <kochte@stsci.edu>

From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:28:35 -0500

Subject: Re: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

> Stuart Ford wrote:

Thanks.

Hmmm. I saw this being demo'd on the History channel earlier this week or past
weekend. Caught the last 10 min of the program, so not sure what was shown or
talked about prior to this.

Mk

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:34:02 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

> --- Indy <kochte@stsci.edu> wrote:
weapon
> > system.

I had the same problem. Try just using
http://world.guns and go to the English language page.

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:35:46 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: Re: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

drop the.ru and you get to the English laguage page.

--- Kevin Balentine <kevinbalentine@verizon.net>
wrote:
> If you go to http://world.guns.ru/ you should be

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:46:21 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

> --- Indy <kochte@stsci.edu> wrote:

> Hmmm. I saw this being demo'd on the History channel

I saw the same program, actually have seen a couple HC programs than
highlighted the OICW. Interesting points, and I was glad they actually
presented opinions both for and against, though I found it interesting that
the naysayer was a "futurist" and not a military or weapons expert.

From: Andreas Udby <javelin98@l...>

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:52:33 -0500

Subject: Re: [OT] Imperial Storm trooper

The thing that would make me nervous the most is the helmet. I would want a
helmet with a wide visor, so that tha edges are outside my peripheral vision,
and doesn't distort my ability to hear what's happening around me. If there
were integral electronics with
report-dampening capabilities, that'd be fine, so long as they gave a
true stereophonic picture of what the sounds around you were. It wasn't for
nothing that we would occassionally practice "listening halts" in Korea, where
the squad would take a new and the front and rear guys would take off their
Control Domes to listen carefully to what was happening around us.

The other big issue (and this is part of the consideration for a helmet with
integral electronics), is batteries. All these GPS gadgets,
laser-range finders, and whatnot, are fine in training or in LIC
situations where you have a ready re-supply of batteries.  But when your
ultra-expensive TVS-5 Starlight scope quits on you because you can't
find the right lithium cell to put in there, you'd better have practiced your
lightfighting skills, 'cause now you're no better off than than that
Mujahadeen teenager with an old SKS. Maybe worse off, because you're lugging
around loads of equipment that isn't worth anything when the batteries die.

We squawked about this issue in the late 90's when the Corps of
Engineers replaced all of our old friction-driven blasting machines
(what you use to set off electrically-detonated demolitions) with fancy
new ones where you just pushed a button -- the problem being that the
fancy new ones all required a 9-volt battery!  I hope that Our Friend
John in Irag isn't suffering because the DoD decided to try and get
high-tech (probably out of another fit of Air Force envy - they get all
the cool toys). The old blasting machines put out as much current as you could
produce by pumping the hand crank, a sustainable solution that would serve any
force well in extended operations. Thinking of some of the Twilight: 2000
scenarios we used to play, consumables become your highest priority when
facing extended amounts of time in the field.