Amidst the current tragedy in the United States, it is my earnest hope that
all members of my
on-list family have been spared harm as have
those near and dear to them. I realize this isn't the forum for world politics
nor any such discussion, but this one time, I will risk incurring the
righteous wrath of the Beast himself for being OT.
My heartfelt prayers go out to those affected by the horrors I see unfolding
before me on television.
Shock, horror, anger...
Life in the US will be very ugly for some time.
I'm reminded of the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, and the
terrible things said against Arabs. I've just reminded my boss who spoke of
'foreigners in the US' that I'm only two generations away from being one
myself, and my other grandfather spoke German as well, or maybe better, than
English, through both WWI and WWII.
I don't recall hearing stories of any problems he had, though. I suppose he
could have counted himself lucky he wasn't Japanese American.
So, I have few comments, and have decided to wait to hear more facts, after
the first flourishes of the media's hopeless, silly, fill.
However, I'm certain, in due course, I will have things other than list
protocols on my mind for righteous wrath.
Thank you for proper hopes.
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:00:17 -0500 devans@uneb.edu wrote:
> Shock, horror, anger...
Yes and sorrow...
> Life in the US will be very ugly for some time.
Yes. This is an event that will have effects for a long time to come.
> I'm reminded of the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City,
I've already heard rumors and anti-Arab comments on the new media.
We all must not jump to conclusions and keep our anger in control.
> On Tue, 11 September 2001, "Thomas Barclay" wrote:
> My heartfelt prayers go out to those affected
I am with Tom in expressing my deep sadness and revulsion at what is certainly
a base and cowardly act.
Currently the Canada/US border is closed (probably more for keeping
someone in the country than keeping anyone out), the office towers in Toronto
are evacuating, the CN Tower is evacuated, and all flights over Canada are
grounded.
I've been in phone conversation with my very close and dear friends in the US.
Everyone, myself included, is just devestated by this.
The world changed today. It will be sometime before we see just how.
To all the Americans on the list, I just want to say that while you may feel
like you and your nation is alone right now, be assured that all of you have
good and true friends outside your borders. You're not alone.
My deepest condolences and best wishes, Allan
> --- Tom Granvold <Thomas.Granvold@Sun.COM> wrote:
...
> I've already heard rumors and anti-Arab comments
...
It is premature, but this sort of operation almost requires the kinds of
resources only a country can provide. Most of the US's most outspoken enemies
ARE in the middle east. Certainly certain countries there will be at the top
of the suspect list. So on the one hand, I'm not saying the US should go off
half-cocked. On the other hand though, I just don't
see a domestic organization pulling this off. I guess we'll see what the law
enforcement and intelligence agencies can discover.
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> On 11 Sep 2001 agoodall@canada.com wrote:
> On Tue, 11 September 2001, "Thomas Barclay" wrote:
> My deepest condolences and best wishes,
I can't think of anything to add to this. So, a hearfealt 'me too'...
My best wishes to all americans in dealing with this disaster. It seems like
the world has changed in the blink of an eye.
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, David Griffin wrote:
> --- Tom Granvold <Thomas.Granvold@Sun.COM> wrote:
Does it? Doesn't it take no more than a handful of persons who have made up
their mind to die in order to get this done? It takes only one who can fly a
plane (which is not too hard once it is ariborne, or so I have been told), for
each plane(*), and enough help to take over the plane. This is not in itself a
massive operation?
Even the coordination wouldn't be ridiculously hard... And that's the scariest
thing about this all, to me. How do you stand any chance of stopping this kind
of attack?
It's one hell of a wake up call to a cold, scary world.
Even when you're half a world away from the actual catastrophe.
> --- Derk Groeneveld <derk@cistron.nl> wrote:
...
> Does it? Doesn't it take no more than a handful of
One person wouldn't be enough to take over an aircraft, not to fly it into a
building. Plus, they need *some* kind of weapon(s), so that implies some kind
of conspiracy to get the weapons past airport security. Given how often my
planes have been on time, coordination like that seems more than what a small
group could manage. Unless they were very lucky, deciding how and where to hit
the buildings seems like a lucky guess unless they have an organization that
can do a structural analysis of the building.
Furthermore, suicide bombing isn't a modus operandi of American terrorists
(not so far anyway).
We know very little right now. Let's wait and see what the FBI and CIA come up
with for suspects.
Perhaps we will, in time, find out you're right, but I think we're dealing
with a ruthless
organization/country with considerable resources,
not a small group of disgruntled extremists.
> Derk Groeneveld wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, David Griffin wrote:
Keeping one airborne is not hard, they are designed to do this on their own.
Hitting a target, even one as big as a building, is difficult. Those pilots
had some training with large aircraft.
> (*) I do not believe the regular crew could be forced into flying
Neither does anyone here, as a matter of fact their is speculation the pilot
of the fourth plane knew what was going on and crashed into the ground. The
others were probably dead early on.
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Roger Books wrote:
> Derk Groeneveld wrote:
This is
> > not in itself a massive operation?
Those
> pilots had some training with large aircraft.
I just looked at the path these planes took. they turned onto the jersey
river. Something they could have gotten the original pilots to do. Then, all
they had to do was follow the river and fly into one of the biggest, most
visible objects one has ever seen on the horizon.
I'm not saying it's easy, but given the time one has to get on course with
something that visible, I don't think it's all THAT hard either (I'd think..
Not a flyer myself).
> > (*) I do not believe the regular crew could be forced into flying
That was what I guessed as well.
Cheers,
> Derk Groeneveld wrote:
People please be careful attributing quotes. I did not write the above.
Take care,
I know 'Me toos' are not proper netiquette. But there are exceptions, and this
is one of them.
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> I know 'Me toos' are not proper netiquette. But there are exceptions,
Agreed. Deepest condolences to all the US members of this list, and I just
pray that no-one here had any family or friends directly affected.....
We on this side of the Pond know only too well about the horrors of
terrorist attacks - though not of this order of magnitude, thank God...
:-(
Jon (GZG)
> ----- Original Message ----- > > > My heartfelt prayers go out to those
> >I know 'Me toos' are not proper netiquette. But there are exceptions,
"Me three". Banal words, I know - but I simply don't have any words
which would fit here.
Kind wishes,
I *do* appreciate all the kind words of sympathy off this list and the 6mm
list to Americans.
I would caution all not to let rumor or partial facts cause us to turn
our anger on /anyone/ until we have a good link on the terrorists who
did this.
I got a "false" reputation of being insightful (me?) when Oklahoma was
bombed and the first (auto-pilot) words out of my mouth were "God,
please don't let it be one of our home grown crazies" (repeating what others
said I said, I honestly don't clearly remember exact words) and then it turned
out to be true. I guess my "Devil's advocate" role reacted to the assumption
it was Arabs attacking us. Personally, I was willing to accept evidence that
pointed clearly to anyone: Arab, Serbian, PRC, Russian, French (well there is
the matter of successful execution of the attack...) or even the Evil Empire
(TM)!
Enough reality.
Gracias,
> On 11 Sep 2001 09:40:33 -0700 agoodall@canada.com writes:
<snip>
> To all the Americans on the list, I just want to say that while you
At work they hammer in the fact that "Nations don't have friends, only
interests..."
Well how sad for 'Nations' but it is comforting to know that as a 'person' I
have people I have never met who want to share their concern (in the Quaker
sense) with Americans.
Gracias,