OT; FLIEGERFAUST (?)

3 posts ยท Aug 21 2002 to Aug 22 2002

From: DAWGFACE47@w...

Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:40:12 -0500 (CDT)

Subject: OT; FLIEGERFAUST (?)

thanks KARL!

the girlfriend's daddy had died from acrrued illness and old wounds
before i ever met him-he was only in his early 50s, i think.

from what her brother told me, POP had been assigned to a unit in France
prior to D-Day. he had been sent there  after  he recovered from serious
a wound gotten fighting the Russians. he was in his mid 20s, i think, and had
been in DAS HEERE before the war began.

anyway, he had apparentlly seen the shitstorm up close and personal, he had (i
am looing at a photo of his field gray tunic now) a number of badges on the
left chest, one that looked kinda like a USN submarine badge (but he was not a
seaman) worn above the rest, what i know was
called a KNIGHT"S CROSS, an IRON CROSS 2/c ribbon,  3 cloth badges on
his right arm that were rectangular boxes wiprofiled tank inside. on
the left sleeve were  2 silver  V-shaped chevrons  and a diamond on a
dark background. he was an infantryman, supposedly.

(maybe a corporal of some type?)

anyway, he also wore a smock over this, that i also saw, which was an
ugly-tan w/green-brown jagged shapes on one side, and a grayish white
color the other.. i think there was some odd looking leafy bars in cloth on
the left sleeve of this smock.

typical looking battered brown and black leather gear, including a holster for
a P38, and machinepistol ammo pouches. some big canvas bags that i guessed
were apparently used to carry ammo for the RL (did not look lie BUNDESWEHR
breadbags, these were bigger).

the launcher, as i recall it, must have been a "B" model of this thing; i am
petty sure there were more than 6 barrels. the paint was flaking off from
wear, but it was painted an ugly gray green.

he supposed lugged thiis thing around from Normandy, in the Lorraine, and then
all the way to HANAU. he supposedly shot down a JABO with it, sharing credit
with another RL soldier.

supposedly the last time he used it was a week or so before he got back to the
farm, when he used it to shoot up some American half tracks and jeeps that
blundered into a roadblock his unit was manning.

i need to ask my UK buddy, but, think he saw a 9 barrel RL in Normandy, and in
Berlin.

i had never even heard of this weapon till i saw the one outside of
HANAU, and i ws not sure it really was an AA weapon-i always thought it
was  some kind of light vehicle and anti-personnel weapon, till my UK
buddy told me what these were.

last time i saw this was way back in 1966.

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:18:33 +0200 (CEST)

Subject: OT; FLIEGERFAUST (?)

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> anyway, he had apparentlly seen the shitstorm up close and personal,

I don't know what the US sub badge looks like. Could it have been the infantry
close assault badge?
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Orden/Infanterie%20Sturmabzeichen.ht
m Or the close combat badge?
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Orden/Nahkampfspange.htm

> ... what i know was

Badges for destroying tanks in close combat:
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Orden/SonderabzeichenPanzerEinzel.ht
m

> on

That would make him a 'Stabsgefreiter' or a long-service
'Obergefreiter':
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Soldat/Heer/Heer.htm
high-ranking corporals

> he was an infantryman, supposedly.

The Wehrmacht winter smock. Reversible, white on one side, splinter pattern on
the other.
http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/militaria-uniforms-heer-camo-winter.ht
m

> . i think there was some odd looking leafy bars in cloth on the left

I find it hard to believe he already had it in Normandy, as so few were
produced and those mostly very late in the war. I rather think he acquired it
later, closer to the end of the war. Maybe some confusion
in the re-telling ?

> supposedly the last time he used it was a week or so before he got

Certainly shows that you can use stuff for purposes they were not originally
designed for.

Greetings

From: DAWGFACE47@w...

Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:42:30 -0500 (CDT)

Subject: Re: OT; FLIEGERFAUST (?)

MORNING KARL!

the CLOSE COMBAT BADGE is the one i talking about that made me think of a USN
submarine badge.

and the INFANTRY ASSAULT BADGE was one of those on his tunic.

and he was a STAFF CORPORAL!

those were TANK DESTRUCTION BADGES, too

that was the same type of smock too.

yah- could be  the date/location he got the weapon was later in the  war
in Germany, not Normandy.

and, like most infantry toted weapons, i am sure that it was used when ever it
was needed, in ways designers never considered..

thank you for the info, KARL!

i never doubted that POPPA was a brave man, but this really confirms my
thoughts!

knocking off 2 enemy tanks takes big balls, as does geting those IRON CROSSES.