From reading the WEG sourcebooks we see that there were already many systems
in rebellion and actually in the Alliance at the start of Episode 4. It seems
likely that many of the Seperatists were charter members of the Alliance since
Ep.4 is only about 20 years later (where's
Mon Mothma anyway?). This is especially likely since the Seperatists movement
was put down by a decapitation strike and never actually rose in open revolt.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what David Brin
(http://www.kithrup.com/brin/starwarsarticle.html) has to say about
Episode Two. He's posited that Yoda is at the core of events, and may actually
have arranged the whole saga in collusion with Anakin. There are several
points where Vader acts to aid and abet the rebellion before
ultimately killing the Emperor and defeating the Dark Side. It cost billions
of lives and decades of tyranny, but evil was defeated. On a galactic scale, a
few star systems is a small price to pay. In Episode 2, the clone army was
commisioned by someone on the Jedi Council acting under a false identity.
Notice how Yoda just took off and collected the
clone army - and the fleet that transported it - and lead it into
battle. That had to have been his army. He set it up, he used it.Then he
gave it to Palpatine.
As poor a job as was done on Ep.2, the story makes sense. The political arcs
really started to come together. The Jango fett sequence did really
nice things for the mythos. But the movie was a visually brilliant story
with a very poor implementation. I sincerely believe that Lucasarts released a
rough edit. The editing was sloppy and used really rough takes for 90% of the
dialogue (Natalie Portman is a better actress than that, hell Hayden
Christensen has to be a better actor than that).This just *has* to be the
version they showed the test audiences.
I'm looking forward to seeing what they guy who did "The Phantom Edit" does
with this movie. And with access to the dailies you could do a much
better edit than what was released. The timing is poor. The pacing is
awful.The script is weak, and the direction was awful. I meant it about Hayden
and Natalie being better actors than that. Any competent director
should have been throwing a fit over deliveries like that. Either Lucas didn't
care, or he actually wanted them stilted and restrained. There's some artictic
merit to doing it that way, but I think you could have developed some real
chemistry between the two love struck kids based on how the actors appeared to
be holding back on emoting. Sad, really. This
could have been a fantastic movie, but it was executed poorly. I just hope
they have enough footage to do a better Special Edition. That would
be a truly special SE.
> Donald Hosford wrote:
> Actually, the legistlation would still have been introduced by someone,
> ...but I think you could have developed some real chemistry between
On one 'net site, a poster suggested that Anakin is mind controlling Amidala
during the romance scenes.
Disturbing, but not unreasonable for someone on his way to the Dark Side. It
does explain why the love scenes were directed the way they were.
I really wanted more than just the one scene between Anakin and Palpatine.
That relationship needed to be developed more.
> Andrew Martin wrote:
> ...but I think you could have developed some real chemistry between
> This could have been a fantastic movie, but it was >executed poorly.
just
> hope they have enough footage to >do a better Special Edition. That
Yes, the SW universe has far more possiblities than this film really
developed.
Though the guy who played Anakin... I think he really is that bad an actor
;-)
Was it just me or were quite a significant numbers of the backdrops apear to
be completely flat? Bring back actual sets!
It was a bit odd seeing a CGI-heavy movie with Ralph McQuarrie's
sketches used as backdrops. And I mean 'sketch', you could see pencil lines in
a couple of scenes, most notably Amidala's ship parked outside the moisture
farm (a sequence that needed to be longer).
Ah well. The Clone Edit should be really cool.
> Richard Kirke wrote:
> This could have been a fantastic movie, but it was >executed poorly.
> On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 08:36:25AM -0700, Michael Llaneza wrote:
Bloody Tatooine is turning out to be more of a centre to the
empire/republic/federation/whatever than Trantor is.
I thought it was bad enough film 3 went there and -- oh my god, it's
not only where Luke comes from, it's where Jabba lives as well! And now it
seems to be where Anakin comes from.. and Uncle Owen's circle
of aquantancies seems to include the who's-who of the entire of recent
interesting history...
Brr. The old series had a sort of placing - there were these dimly
mentioned historic events and stuff.
And we've replaced that with CGI'd tanks exploding.
OK, it's not as bad as E1, but E4-6 were terrible without being
/TERRIBLE/..
> Mike Llaneza wrote:
> In Episode 2, the clone army was commisioned by someone on the Jedi
No, it didn't have to be Yoda who ordered the creation of the army. In fact
it can't have been him - because the person who handled the contacts
with the Cloners (can't remember what they were called) after their Jedi had
died (very soon after Ep.I) and who recruited Jango Fett to serve as their
model was Darth Tyrannus, aka Count Dooku... who had been thrown out of the
Jedi Order years before, and who was Palpatine's Sith apprentice. This
strongly suggests that it was Palpatine, not Yoda, who ordered the clone
army -.or at least suggested to the former, now deceased, head Jedi that
his race create the clone army for the Republic.
However, since the Cloners thought that it was the Jedi Order who had
ordered the clone army - well, of course they wouldn't refuse one of the
Order's highest officials from taking the army with him!
So, well... it seems to me that Palpatine/Darth Sidious ordered
Dooku/Darth
Tyrannus to start the "robot rebellion" so that Palpatine could get his
special powers and then "accidentally discover" the Clone army and use it to
smash the rebels. That the Jedi happened to find the Clone army somewhat
prematurely didn't hurt - that only diverted the attention from
Palpatine :-/
Later,