Full Thrust Japanese Fleet Pack Full Thrust FSE Fleet 1 Full Thrust FSE Fleet
2 Full Thrust FSE Fleet 3 Full Thrust Lupus Design Painted NAC Force Full
Thrust Lupus Design Painted NSL Force Full Thrust Lupus Design Painted Kra'Vak
Force Full Thrust Lupus Design Painted Sa'Vasku Force Full Thrust Lupus Design
Painted NIS Force
As usual, see them at:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&us
erid
=schoonsjunkyard&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=0
Cheers,
> Sean Bayan Schoonmaker wrote:
> Full Thrust Japanese Fleet Pack
A query...who are Lupus Design? I can't seem to find a website for them
using the basic methods...
Already bid on some of them <grin>
On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:53:33 -0700 Sean Bayan Schoonmaker
> <s_schoon@pacbell.net> writes:
Fair warning. The UNSC stuff over the weekend reached the level where you
could order it from GZG with their current deal at basically the same price.
These may not, and painted stuff is obviously different, but it's something to
keep in mind.
grant
> Already bid on some of them <grin>
***
Fair warning. The UNSC stuff over the weekend reached the level where you
could order it from GZG with their current deal at basically the same price.
These may not, and painted stuff is obviously different, but it's something to
keep in mind.
***
Having been shut out on some of the previous stuff, I'm feeling a bit torn. a)
Disappointment, at not getting the items dirt cheap, b) warm feeling at
Schoon, a good guy, making out like a bandit, c) pity for those poor folks
that don't know how fast, courteous, and competitive Jon's service is.
Many folks are intimidated by ordering across the briny; we've seen it on the
list, and I experienced it. Have to wonder about those in c). Course, I
haven't worked out shipping differences, though...
Maybe Shoon will clue them in... AFTER the auctions complete. ;->=
The_Beast
You saw the DS 2 rules with an required opening bid of $49 IIRC I assume?
ROFLOL! Only he may get it if someone doesn't know about the downloads...
Gracias, Glenn
On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:23:51 -0400 (EDT) "Grant A. Ladue"
> <ladue@cse.Buffalo.EDU> writes:
> Many folks are intimidated by ordering across the briny; we've seen it
Course, I
> haven't worked out shipping differences, though...
There's another issue, though, that not everyone is aware of.
If you don't have a credit card, how do you pay for GZG items? I don't think
they take PayPal. You would have to send a money order to GZG. This isn't even
an option, though, in certain parts of the U.S.
I went to the local post office here in Louisiana and they could not give me
an international postal money order in pounds sterling. They could only give
it to me in U.S. dollars. I ended up having my mother send a money order to
Britain from Canada in pounds.
Other than the post office, it's hard to find a local vendor that will do
foreign currency money orders. Places like Western Union will do it, but the
only places I know locally that sell Western Union money orders can't handle
foreign currency.
So, it's entirely possible that a teenager or young guy in college can't
actually buy directly from Jon. Instead, he sees the items on eBay, can pay by
PayPal or just a plain money order in U.S. funds to someone in the U.S., and
they jump all over the auction.
If you could guarantee some good margins, perhaps with Jon's assistance, it
may be viable for someone to resell GZG items on eBay at a substantial enough
profit to make it worthwhile.
> > Many folks are intimidated by ordering across the briny; we've seen
Course, I
> > haven't worked out shipping differences, though...
This isn't even an option, though, in certain parts of the U.S.
> I went to the local post office here in Louisiana and they could not
In order to pay for Ebay purchases from England, I've gotten foreign
currency money orders from my bank, no problem. I'm pretty sure you can also
get them from AAA. I would think that at the least, most banks should be able
to do this for you.
> > Many folks are intimidated by ordering across the briny; we've seen
Course, I
> haven't worked out shipping differences, though...
Any bank should be able to issue you with a cheque made out in GBP, with a UK
clearing bank address on it; this is fine for us. Or, you can always buy UK
currency (as notes) from the bank and send it by registered mail.
Jon (GZG)
> Other than the post office, it's hard to find a local vendor that
***
Any bank should be able to issue you with a cheque made out in GBP, with a UK
clearing bank address on it; this is fine for us. Or, you can always buy UK
currency (as notes) from the bank and send it by registered mail.
***
In the case of the former, it's a pretty heavy surcharge; in the case of the
latter, even registered, it takes a certain courage. Finally, as I stated
before, it's hard to approach cross ocean transactions without some
trepidation.
Mail order for gaming is much more common in the UK than in the US, of course.
eBay's 'garage sale' mentality may hide that.
One problem is that most of the left over packs in the US are former
Geo-Hex, and we've already discussed some of the problems with those.
The_Beast
> One problem is that most of the left over packs in the US are former
Like what?
> ***
When I ordered from Brigade a few years ago (pre-Paypal) I had to get a
cheque in GBP, and the surcharge alone was $45, before the actual amount I
wanted to send was included. This was at a major bank chain in a small
metropolitan area.
***
When I ordered from Brigade a few years ago (pre-Paypal) I had to get a
cheque in GBP, and the surcharge alone was $45, before the actual amount I
wanted to send was included. This was at a major bank chain in a small
metropolitan area.
***
OUCH! I think the one I got for GZG was only a third that; and I STILL
wept, as it represented something like 20-25%!
And, Lincoln, NE, is no global player...
***
> One problem is that most of the left over packs in the US are former
Like what?
***
Fit and flash were problematic during certain periods. For the longest time,
folks said you got better product by ordering direct, or from Oz. That said, I
still like the old CMD bases, inspite of assy problems.
The_Beast
> > ***
Strewth! And I thought UK banks ripped us off! Last foreign-currency
cheque I had drawn up here (Several hundred GBP converted to Aussie Dollars)
cost me about 6 GBP in charges, IIRC.....
> > > ***
They just need to shop around for better banks. I have an "advantage" checking
account from my bank because we got the mortgage through them.
Foreign money orders are no-charge because of it.
> On Wed, 19 May 2004, Ground Zero Games wrote:
> > > ***
GBP or USD money orders cost me ~$6 Canadian from my bank; you can get them
free with some accounts... $45 USD is utter robbery!
No wonder so many Americans are afraid of ordering overseas!
> Doug Evans wrote:
> That said, I still like the old CMD bases, inspite of assy problems.
Does anyone still make bases like that? They are quite nice, they have
a nice heft to them, much sturdier than plastic bases, and the 12-point
markings are of course handy.
They may not be "sexy", but I have to believe if someone produced bases like
that, they'd be a money maker (practically zero design costs compared to a
starship figure, and although I know very little about
casting, I'm guessing they'd be quite easy to do with little waste / bad
castings).
Perhaps if enough people were interested, it would be economical to use an
online machining service, like eMachineShop
(http://www.emachineshop.com/) to place a large order...?
> > That said, I still like the old CMD bases, inspite of assy problems.
Monday Knight Productions used to have them for sale along with their new
"Nova" 12 pointed star bases but round CMD bases are no longer listed:
http://www.mondayknight.com/GKBasesindex.htm
I like those bases too and stocked up on GeoHex blisters on clearance. All
those scouts no one was buying are great sources of bases if you get a good
discount.
On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:32:59 +0100 Ground Zero Games <jon@gzg.com>
writes: Capitalism does have some 'speed bumps' doesn't it?
> Strewth! And I thought UK banks ripped us off! Last foreign-currency
> Dean Gundberg wrote:
> ***
Ouch!
We ask for sterling cheques because we attract rather painful charges
this end in cashing them - I know we ended up doing one small order from
the states effectively for nothing because the charges on the cheque exceeded
its value! Now unfortunately we will simply return any order that comes with a
cheque in anything other than sterling because it's not economical for us to
cash it.
> Dean Gundberg wrote:
> >>That said, I still like the old CMD bases, inspite of assy problems.
All
> those scouts no one was buying are great sources of bases if you get a
OK, hands up: how many would like GZG to cast and sell metal bases separately?
I'm pretty sure Jon has a production mould for a metal "escort
ship base" (same size as the half-inch SFB bases, but flat and designed
to
take a normal GZG pole instead of the stubby SFB one) - at least he cast
up a hundred of those bases for me when I ran out of SFB ones, and I kinda
doubt that he did this from pre-production moulds! <g> - but I don't
think that it would be very difficult to get KR's permission to start casting
the
Geo-Hex ones. Or make a full-sized flat metal hex base, for that matter
- I
like the way the hex-shape makes it easier to turn the ship.
(What? Putting pressure on Jon to make him expand his lines? Nah... ;-)
)
Later,
***
but I don't think that it would be very difficult to get KR's permission to
start casting the Geo-Hex ones.
***
The bases have Capricorn Space (I incorrectly said CMD) on them. Isn't that
the former Copeland? I got it in my head they were Jon's all along, and that
he dropped them in favor of plastic.
Daddy? Tell us a story...
The_Beast
> Jon wrote:
> Any bank should be able to issue you with a cheque made out in GBP,
Sorry Jon, but that's not the case.
There are a lot of smaller regional banks in the United States. Here in
Monroe, Louisiana, my wife and I used to deal with Progressive Bank, one of
these regionals. They could not give me a money order in Pounds Sterling; I
know, I tried. They couldn't get me British currency. In
fact, they couldn't even get me _Canadian_ currency that day, though
they could if I was willing to wait several business days. Many of these small
regionals just don't deal with people on an international level.
Now, I think I could do it with our current bank, Bank One, which is a
large, multi-regional bank. I haven't tried, and I have no idea how much
the service charge would be. They don't offer any kind of account with free
wire transfers, so I'd expect to pay through the nose for a money order in
Sterling. If you use a regional, or one of the smaller local credit unions,
you're just pretty much out of luck on international transactions unless it's
through PayPal or using a wire transfer (and a wire transfer will cost US$15
to $25).
> Grant wrote:
> They just need to shop around for better banks.
I like the phrase "just need to".
This assumes that the person has contact with other folks from other areas and
realizes things can be better... and that they actually have a choice in their
area. Progressive Bank offers free chequing (spelled checking down here)
accounts, but even if they offered free money orders you aren't going to get
it with that account. On the other hand, you can usually get an account with
monthly fees at larger banks that offer things like free international money
orders. If you're a college student, do you really want to pay $8 to $12 a
month just so the occasional international money order is free? If you are
working and have your pay transferred to your account automatically (as well
as an automatic debit for your car insurance, car loan, etc.), do you really
want to go to the hassle of switching banks just to buy some stuff once or
twice a year from Britain?
My point is that there are substantial hurdles for a lot of folks in the U.S.,
particularly those in rural areas, when it comes to financial transactions
across the Atlantic. I was pointing this out as one reason why eBay auctions
of GZG products can hit prices higher than Jon sells them for by mail. We have
anecdotal evidence that GZG games and figures
are less prominent in the U.S. than they were when Geo-Hex was
distributing them. The "just buy them from the U.K." comment that many of us
(myself included) tell players looking for the rules and figures just isn't an
option for some Americans.
> Grant wrote:
I was actually just kidding, but that said there are still options. You can
order international money orders from the US Post Office. They send them from
a central site, so there is a fee and some time lag, but it is a viable option
for infrequent orders. I don't remember how much it costs. It is also very
easy to get a credit card now to allow you to order directly. If you're making
small orders that you would pay cash for anyways, you can just pay the card
off immediately, and it's no additional cost to you. I don't mean to diminish
the difficulties you may have ordering from England. I'm just trying to say
that there are workable options available to almost everyone who might be
ordering. The relatively tiny group of customers who might not be able to
order are most likely too small to justify an entire US distribution
arrangement.
How about using... a credit card.:)
Or find a local friend who has one, pay him/her in cash with a small fee
for the service, or something. I've done that with friends with orders to the
UK...
Jon already takes credit card orders through his website - so if people
want to use a credit-card through PayPal, they could just use the credit
card directly, no?
(though yes, PayPal is certainly a convenient service and easy to set up)
> Any bank should be able to issue you with a cheque made out in GBP,
***************************************
Although PayPal is easy to use, it is fraught with peril too. After reading
through the sign up agreement, I doubt I'll ever make use of PayPal as the
receiver of funds again (no incentive for them to "fix" any problems that
occur on their end and they can legally hold frozen funds indefinitely and
the only way to fight it is to hire a lawyer - something that they know
people are likely not to do).
On Thu, 20 May 2004 13:43:31 +0200 Oerjan Ohlson
> <oerjan.ohlson@telia.com> writes:
<snip>
> OK, hands up: how many would like GZG to cast and sell metal bases
Well, it's not a high priority as long as plastic bases (adequate is best
term) are available but yes I would like to see them available. For argument's
sake, in blisters of 10 or 20 each.
Gracias,
> On Thu, 20 May 2004 13:32:16 +0000 agoodall@att.net writes:
<snip> The "just buy them from the U.K."
> comment that many of us (myself included) tell players looking for the
Okay, then we need to be creative...
Off the top of my head - How about next time Jon runs a special deal we
have one person who is interested in the deal who takes orders [and up front
payments] from those with "internationally challenged" banks and that person
pays Jon?
Of course i have not given thought how to figure postage for each set in a
'combined order' and how Jon would get the separate packages to each person
from a centralized representative (addresses would be needed at
the least) plus how that would affect Jon's Book-keeping. Not to
mention what a headache it would be keeping the order(s) straight. Figuring
shipping alone might not make it worthwhile for Jon.
Having them sent to one address (and repackaging them plus figuring the
secondary postage/packing involved) seems like a lot of work.... too
much IMO.
Gracias,
> How about using... a credit card. :)
<snip>
Another reason PayPal is nice is that you can also tie it in to your bank
account and pay straight from there, avoiding the credit card thing entirely.
> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
> OK, hands up: how many would like GZG to cast and sell metal bases
<hand state="up"/>
On Thu, 20 May 2004 16:39:55 -0700 "Sylvester" <Xveers@hotmail.com>
writes:
> <snip>
That's how I do it.
No problems yet.
Gracias,
> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
Aye~
> Allan Goodall wrote:
> My point is that there are substantial hurdles for a lot of folks in
> why eBay auctions of GZG products can hit prices higher than Jon sells
There's also the fact that many of the eBay sellers of second-hand GZG
products advertise the goods as "out of print". This tends to drive the prices
up quite considerably, since the customers believe the "OOP" bit
:-(
Later,
> Sylvester wrote:
> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
Commencing extension of forward-upper manipulative system in
3...2...1....MARK.