From: Tom B <kaladorn@g...>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:44:28 -0400
Subject: [OT] Conservatives, Liberals and the rest of us
Seems to me most of the people I know (in my generation) align themselves with liberal social values (toleration of marijuana (either because they don't think it is any worse than alcahol or as a strict matter of fiscal pragmatism), toleration of homosexual marriages (do what you want with whom you want, just don't bug me about it), toleration of free thinking, free speech, the right to question authority, protest in a non-destructive manner, etc). They also believe in technological prowess, education, and hard work. They don't believe in affirmitive action, sex discrimination, government moral oversight, censorship, etc. Simultaneously, most of them align themselves against unlimited gun ownership, against high taxes, against large government, against unmonitored social spending, and against government crookedness. And pro defence, pro military, and pro entrepeneurship. This mostly seems like common sense and boils down to "let the people keep their money, keep government out of social matters, let government monitor things like roads, schools, etc. that are public good locations, and have government that has integrity and accountability". Now, as an exercise, try to find a party that supports such policies in Canada. I know *I* have no idea who I'll be voting for next election.... which is downright sad. And to vote (because the perogative itself is sacred) for the "least of many evils" sure seems like a crappy recommendation for democracy. I think in the GZGverse (to vainly try for on-topic), people are probably still being mis-classified, grouped when such a grouping is misleading, poorly represented by their governments, etc. I think the "No Good Guys" applies trebly to the GZGverse governments, who all seem vaguely weasely (some less vaguely than others!). Tomb PS - If US liberals are pro tax, pro big gov't, pro social welfare state and US conservatives are anti-tax, pro big gov't and anti welfare state, what are the protectionist deep south conservatives? They aren't pro free trade, yet they get called conservative due to their social convictions. And what is an anti-tax, anti-big gov't, anti-welfare state person? Another flavour of conservative? At the end of the day, what meaning does any label have if it can't adequately encompass two or three individually bifurcate or mutlifurcate categories? Answer: Probably not useful for anything but sound bytes!