[OT] Blackhawk Down

7 posts ยท Jan 23 2002 to Jan 24 2002

From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>

Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:35:12 -0500

Subject: [OT] Blackhawk Down

My review.

Having read the original articles (long before it was a book), seen the movie
on opening night (knowing what the story was in detail ahead of time), and
having also just watched a 2 hour documentary on things.

1) John A makes a fairly accurate assessment of many of the failings of the
mission. His assessment of superhero games is blinkered, but that's our
John.... <*grin*>

2) Someone pointed out the tension between the Delta and Rangers. This comes
out very clearly in the original accounting. The Rangers were coming to pieces
from the casualties and long time under fire. The Delta guys were in no mood
to screw around. I particularly recall a story of one Delta guy riding around
(I think) with a busted leg and shooting away anyway out of the Humvee.
Anyway, this aspect is totally done away with in the movie.... no friction to
be seen (a few eyes rolled aside maybe, but no actual friction). The Rangers
are shown (to my mind) as far more gripped and together even when things
started going bad than the impression the original story gave me.

3) The streets and alleys in the movie seemed much wider than the streets in
the actual city (saw them on the documentary). And so was the crash site (#2 I
think). The real city of Mogadishu looked far worse.

4) The movie glossed over (except in brief mention) the problems the UN troops
presented... mind you I think they had some justification, not having been
clued in by the US forces ahead of time.... but they still were obstructionist
in terms of getting the relief column with armour together and headed into the
city.

5) The fire in the movie, though it looks intense. was far less than that in
reality I suspect. Or at least its effects. The book details Humvees driving
10 mph with three tires blown off and on fire. Hummers in the movie didn't
take quite that much punishment. And I never saw the barricade crashing that
was mentioned in the book.

6) I don't recall the bit with the IR beacon/flare
and the run across the open to place it.... but it might have happened.

7) The actual Rangers weren't quite as photogenic or rah rah. The ones in the
documentary came off as real people, warts and all, trying to deal with a real
bad situation they'd gotten into.

For all that, I did like the movie and in many substantive ways, it told the
story as it happened. A little more clean and nice than the actual one
(despite the gore here and there, and I still don't think the gore here
matched that first 20 mins of SPR) both in terms of the condition of people
and vehicles and in terms of the relationship between the Rangers and Delta
and the morale effects of the situation on the young Rangers.

Tom Sizemore played a kind of impressive character, as did the lead Delta guy
(name
forgotten) - though I did find their portrayal of
his ability to blend with the populace at the
beginning funny - one white guy with fancy
shades in the midst of a crowd of non-whites....
stick out? naw!:)

Also, I have to give my utmost respect for the two Delta snipers who fastroped
into crash site #2. They knew what they were getting themselves into, and they
deserved their medals.

The movie does capture the feeling of the chaos of street fighting against a
disorganized foe,
where non-combatants randomly appear in the
middle of a fight and some of the people you are fighting are kids of 12. It
captures the effects of not taking the high ground. It captures how fast a
simple and elegant plan can go to hell and how bad that can be if you don't
have backup strategies in place.

The book, if it is anything like the original web stories (which Los put me
onto as they came out or shortly after), is probably well worth the price as a
keeper for your shelf.

From: Jeremy Sadler <jsadler@e...>

Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:38:07 +1100

Subject: RE: [OT] Blackhawk Down

> The book, if it is anything like the original web

I read the articles on the web and yes, they are real eye openers.

Want to see this movie for several reasons, two of them Ewan McGregor and Eric
Bana.

From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@m...>

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:01:09 +1100

Subject: RE: [OT] Blackhawk Down

G'day,

> Eric Bana.

I'm pretty unlikely to see Blackjack Down, that's more Derek movie -
however, given how much time Eric Bana spent being a comedian in Australia its
gonna be an awful long time before I can see him as anything else;)

From: Iain Davidson <iain@a...>

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:32:45 -0000

Subject: RE: [OT] Blackhawk Down

As a Brit, I wasn't aware of the background to this film, which I'm hoping to
see in the next few weeks.

Any chance of you posting the web addresses for those of us less familiar
with the background ;-)

Ta, Iain.

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From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:04:47 -0500

Subject: RE: [OT] Blackhawk Down

> At 6:32 PM +0000 1/24/02, Iain Davidson wrote:

Hmm, a bit of web searching on Blackhawk Down Somalia, rangers and delta
should result in something of strong information on the subject. Problem is
you have to parse out Movie related stuff now.

Try this though..
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6453/somalia.html

It seems to have a bunch of accounts from people there.

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:15:52 -0800

Subject: RE: [OT] Blackhawk Down

> Ryan M Gill wrote:

> Try this though..

Very well done site.

From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>

Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:17:51 -0500

Subject: Re: [OT] Blackhawk Down

> Iain Davidson wrote:

Try this:

http://www.philly.com/packages/somalia/sitemap.asp

I found it a few years ago. I haven't searched widely for more
web-based info because this seems fairly comprehensive.

Mk