From: Barclay, Tom <tomb@b...>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:28:14 -0500
Subject: [OT] barbarians
John said: Yup. Remember, the original definition of the term now rendered "barbarian" was "Anyone not Greek." This evolved into "Anyone not Roman" when they conquered the part of the world worth having.
From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:54:38 -0500
Subject: RE: [OT] barbarians
> John said: Tom Replies: > Hmmm. I musta missed that in history. I agree with your comment about Hadrian's Wall) which is now called Scotland, I can't possibly see how you conclude "they conquered the part of the world worth having". Sorry John, but in this one instance, you're just plain wrong.;) IIRC, Hadrian's Wall corresponded to the northern limit for cultivation of wine grapes. Anything north of that = not worth having. And if Us Kelts (I'm a Bruce) disagreed with that, why'd we keep moving to other countries?
From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@e...>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:09:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [OT] barbarians
Now laddie, by "worth having" in this case they mean "worth what it would cost" which would be every legion they had - plus one. > --- "Barclay, Tom" <tomb@bitheads.com> wrote:
From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:21:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [OT] barbarians
> --- "Barclay, Tom" <tomb@bitheads.com> wrote: meaning (in their eyes) > barbarians. OTOH, since they > never conquered the land of the Kelts and Druids Actually they got at least as far north as Edinburg. I've visited the ruins of a Roman supply camp there.
From: Adrian Johnson <ajohnson@i...>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:36:24 -0500
Subject: [OT] barbarians
> Tom Replies: I notice, however, that your Clan motto is in Latin... Just a wee observation there, laddie... The Romans did ok... And sure, they made it far into Scotland (re John A's comment about the resupply dump ruins he saw near Edinburgh). They just never bothered *conquering* north of the wall. No percentage in it - the northern tribes were seen as not worth the fight for the terrain gained. They sent punitive expiditions north of the wall, like the semi-mythical 9th Legion who "vanished without a trace" - but never put serious effort into taking and holding that part of the world.
From: Robert W. Hofrichter <RobHofrich@p...>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:12:43 -0500
Subject: Re: [OT] barbarians
But most of them (the in this time period, anyway) would have been Picts or some such and not Scots (who were johnny-come-latelies from Ireland), right? Ahh, the movement of tribal groups in an interesting topic. (So says a Slav/German mix, born in Bohemia, living in the US with relatives in Canada-Mom's side- and California-Dad's side, married to an English/Scot mix). Rob [quoted original message omitted]