[OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

10 posts ยท May 2 2002 to May 3 2002

From: Flak Magnet <flakmagnet@t...>

Date: 02 May 2002 09:50:20 -0400

Subject: Re: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

> On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 16:41, Allan Goodall wrote:

Most of the time, I would use water-soluble artist's or calligrapher's
ink as a last step. Do the black lining as normal, if I make a mistake, I can
wet my finger or a sponge or something and clean the mistake off
since it's water-soluble.  If I REALLY hose the job, a quick rinse under
the tap will clean it all off without affecting the water-fast acrylics
I use.

> Normally, when painting without an airbrush, I'd use a wash or I'd do
However you
> also get a "stain" outside of the crease where the water and paint

Using the same techniques works just fine, and as long as you use repeatable
colors (by either keeping a "recipe card" for each model or by painting
unmixed colors) you ought to be able to blend or feather
dry-brushing with your airbrush work, as long as it's consistent, you
should to be able to make it look right. Unrelated to airbrushing: If you use
distilled water to water down your paints for washes, you ought to not have
the "stain" from a wash quite so bad. It's the extra minerals in normal tap
water that cause the stain. See above about
correcting a mistake while black lining (re: using water-soluble inks).

> Is there any way to do washes or other details in the crevices of a

Part of doing some of the minature painting with an airbrush
eliminates/reduces the need for washes on large sections of your model.
With 6mm scale, I've found it eliminates dry-brushing even.  Take a peek
at:

http://www.geocities.com/flakmanget72/pics/Humber3Views.jpg

This is a composite view of a 6mm armored car from WWII, painted almost
entirely with an airbrush. First I glued the underside of the model to
a nail-head to make it easier to handle and rotate.  A base coat of a
dark green drab was airbrushed over the entire model and then a coat of
interior green (testor's acrylic) was "dusted" from above. When I dust a model
for the purpose of highlighting, I thin the paint a bit extra, no so much to
reduce coverage, because that's what you control with the airbrush, but to
keep the paint droplets from drying on the way to the model, perhaps using a
retarder would work just as well, but I don't have any.

Note how the dusting settled on the upper surfaces and not so much on the
sides or on the overhangs. The lighting on this model at the time the
photograph was taken was from 5 different points totalling *quick math*
750watts, so any shading you see is the result of paint shading, not from
lighting and actual shadows. I think the effect is most noticable in these
areas:

Front view: The driver's viewport, just under the barrel of the gun but above
the white star.

Side view (pointing right): The recessed panel between the wheels, under the
two horzontal lines on the main body.

Side view (pointing left): The same recessed panel, the shovel between the
turred and the recessed panel. Note that I haven't painted the shovel, but I
may go back and pick them out with a black wash and a brown wash.

The only areas that are not painted with an airbrush are the wheels and the
star, which is a decal. The white on the front wheel of the
right-most view is the result of superglue "fogging", something I'll be
going back over sometime...

How well this applies to other vehicles and larger scales depends on how
strong the relief is on the model. The basic technique of basecoating with a
dark color and dusting it from above with a lighter shade of it can apply to
any model with a monochromatic paint scheme, and with some
follow-on brush work, it can be applied to any model.  A translucent
dusting of gray or light tan after a camouflage pattern has been applied
can do the same kind of shading/highlighting if you're careful and have
gotten used to the technique.

For 6mm camouflage, I plan on trying this: Basecoating with a medium shade of
gray, then dusting with very light gray or white. Using inks and washes
thinned out but with only controllable amounts on the brush I paint on the
camo pattern, layering on dark over lighter colors (like
normal camo painting).  My hope/theory is that the washes will be
translucent enough to allow the highlighting from the airbrush work dhow
through while still imparting their colors onto the color-neutral gray
base-coat.  When I get around to trying this, I'll let you know how it
works.

Hopefully this was informative, as opposed to boorish. Let me know if you have
any other questions... Feedback on the Humber Scout car's paint job would be
cool too!

From: Roger Books <books@m...>

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:23:59 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

> http://www.geocities.com/flakmanget72/pics/Humber3Views.jpg

isn't found be geocities...

From: Tony Francis <tony.francis@k...>

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:25:03 +0100

Subject: RE: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

Change 'manget' to 'magnet' and all is well!

> -----Original Message-----

From: Flak Magnet <flakmagnet@t...>

Date: 02 May 2002 11:43:31 -0400

Subject: RE: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

Yup, that was the problem. I thought I'd caught that typo... but I
guess I thick-fingered it twice while typing.  Sorry about that.

--Flak

> On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 11:25, Tony Francis wrote:

From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@m...>

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:19:46 -0400

Subject: Re: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

> At 9:50 AM -0400 5/2/02, Flak Magnet wrote:

Gotta love WWII armoured cars... I'll be using an airbrush of sorts when I
paint my dingo, but It'll have to be a bit larger.

From: Tony Christney <tchristney@t...>

Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:41:41 -0700

Subject: Re: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

Hi,

I have been thinking about using rigid masks to do camo. Cut out two or three
bits of plastic card with a camo pattern. Fold the mask over the model and
airbrush over the mask. The pattern should transfer onto the model, provided
that the pattern and the model are not too complicated. By using two or more
masks and a base colour, you could get three or four colour patterns.

The Humber looks great. How about a top down view, as that is how the models
are normally seen on the table? Presumably you could whip off 20 or so in an
evening?

Cheers, Tony Christney

[snip]

> For 6mm camouflage, I plan on trying this: Basecoating with a medium

From: Alan and Carmel Brain <aebrain@w...>

Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:43:20 +1000

Subject: Re: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

> Take a peek at:

OK, THAT's impressive.

Makes my own, e.g.

From: Flak Magnet <flakmagnet@t...>

Date: 03 May 2002 09:26:50 -0400

Subject: Re: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

> On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 05:43, Alan and Carmel Brain wrote:

Corrected the URL, just because it annoys me that I got it wrong when I posted
it.

> OK, THAT's impressive.

*grin* Thanks.

> Makes my own, e.g.

I wouldn't knock 'em. The Ogres look pretty darned good. Especially the one in
the lead... The shading is very well done. Still, airbrushing makes it SO
easy.

Thanks again for the compliment!

From: Allan Goodall <agoodall@a...>

Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:35:18 -0500

Subject: Re: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

On 02 May 2002 09:50:20 -0400, Flak Magnet
> <flakmagnet@tabletop-battlezone.com> wrote:

> Unrelated to airbrushing: If

That and the proper stuff, like you mentioned earlier that doesn't dry very
quickly, would probably do the trick... Hmmm...

I have done some airbrushing. The effects weren't bad, but I didn't get the
shadowing detail I really wanted due to being ultra careful not to mess up the
airbrush work that I'd done.

Your armoured car looks very good! I don't know if I have the necessary
control with my airbrush. I have a Badger 150 dual action. I was going to go
for an Aztek, but I don't use the airbrush enough to justify the cost. The
Badger's finest tip and needle combination is a little finer than the best out
of the Aztek, at least as far as my research could see. I think I'd probably
get more use out of a compressor, as I'm stuck using cans of air right now.

The results on the scout car look great. I'd assume it's a pretty fast paint
job, too. I also liked how you did the corner of the base for identification
purposes. That looks good without detracting from the model.

From: Flak Magnet <flakmagnet@t...>

Date: 03 May 2002 11:51:24 -0400

Subject: Re: [OT] Airbrushes - Long, but there's a picture!

> On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 09:35, Allan Goodall wrote:

> I have done some airbrushing. The effects weren't bad, but I didn't

I'm not that good with an air-brush... honest!  The dusting technique I
described easier requires all the control and finesse that using a
sledgehammer to break cinderblocks does. It's really easy. The highlighting
and shading effects of the dusting build up gradually and therefore you can
control it just by stopping when it looks "right".

> Your armoured car looks very good! I don't know if I have the
The
> Badger's finest tip and needle combination is a little finer than the

Thank you. Refer to my paragraph above about having the control, it should
allay your doubts. Your badger is likely better than my Aztec airbrush. The
dual action is what grants you the control... just get the air flowing and
feed paint until you start seeing it build up (while
aiming off-model) and then sweep it across the model (or models) until
they look "right".

First chance you get, ditch the cans of air. They bite [very unpleasant things
to have bitten]. As you use them, the pressure drops and you have to wait for
them to warm up and regain pressur before you can use them again. That makes
your airbrush hard to control, and when "dusting" models you need more air
than a can will provide as it's a
slow process requiring an extended spray-time instead of short bursts.

> The results on the scout car look great. I'd assume it's a pretty fast

Thanks again. I built a jig out of plasticard that lets me paint the bases
white, put them in the jig and hit them with brown. The jig keeps the corner
white by masking it. Then I print out the labels on a
Brother P-touch labeler and apply them to the white corner of the base
after the models are based and primed. Any overhang I trim off with a hobby
knife. The decals on the German tanks match the numbers on the bases.

P-Touch labelers:
 http://www.brother.com/usa/label/info2/pages/whichmodel/index.html

> Allan Goodall agoodall@hyperbear.com