Hi all,
A little commercial announcement - we've just released the first NEW
batch
of human-force FT ships for quite a while! The moulds were made today,
so
they are officially available as of tonight - and all you GZG "listers"
(hmmm, that has worrying connotations for Red Dwarf fans.... <grin>) are the
first to know about them!
OUT NOW are the first six releases in the ISLAMIC FEDERATION fleet; in
keeping with the Islamic theme they all feature forward-swept crescent
"wings", which by a fortuitous conincidence means that a number of you may
find places for them in certain other fleets that you may be
building.....
not that that would have anything to do with us, of course... ;-)
All these will be on sale at SALVO this Sunday, for those of you who are
coming along - but see us early, there won't be many of each in stock!!
In cidentally, I've done these models myself (as opposed to all the
"old"
FT ships which were Paul Copeland's work, and the SV and Phalon stuff which
are Dave Garnham's) and I have to say I'm very pleased with the way they've
turned out - I hope you'll like them as much. Expect more Islamic
releases soon to fill out the fleet roster, plus the start of fleets for the
Japanese, New Israelis and maybe even some UNSC stuff - I'm on a roll at
the moment....!
Please don't pester us for photos yet - we've only just finished making
the damn things! As and when I get the chance to photograph them I'll try to
get the pics onto a website somewhere and tell you all about it. Oh, and
before you ask, no we haven't done official stats for them yet
either..... :-/
One way you listers (there's that term again...) could help is to suggest a
few suitable class names for the Islamic ships - something in keeping
with the background and national identity. Any thoughts?
Anyway, here's what is out so far:
FT-1001 Islamic Fed light fighters (6)* 0.95
FT-1021 Islamic Fed heavy fighters (6)* 0.95
FT-1022 Islamic Fed strikeships (3) 1.25
FT-1004 Islamic Fed frigates (2) 1.95
FT-1005 Islamic Fed destroyers (2) 2.25
FT-1010 Islamic Fed battleship 4.25
(All prices in UKP)
* We could have cheated and just renamed the GF013 and 016 fighters as
Islamics, but we didn't - these are wholly new designs.
Happy thrusting......
> Anyway, here's what is out so far:
> FT-1010 Islamic Fed battleship 4.25 Sultan Class
Woohoo! More figures for me to collect. My wife is going to kill me!
Slim
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Excerpts from mail: 13-Oct-99 RE: [OFFICIAL] New Stuff fr.. by Mike
Wikan@mailhost.acco
> > Anyway, here's what is out so far:
Me, I'm waiting for a "Casbah" (sp?) IF space station.
I think at least one of these should be named "Kabob";)
Steven M Goode <"gromit+"@CMU.EDU> on 10/13/99 04:28:44 PM
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Excerpts from mail: 13-Oct-99 RE: [OFFICIAL] New Stuff fr.. by Mike
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> > Anyway, here's what is out so far:
Me, I'm waiting for a "Casbah" (sp?) IF space station.
I suggest "The Koran" and "Wrath of Allah" as names for two of the bigger
classes. Koran-class Battleship has a nice ring to it...
G'day
> I suggest "The Koran" and "Wrath of Allah" as names for two of the
Call me overly politically correct, but that may not be such a good idea. I
may take the "Bible-class dreadnaught" as a joke, but my parents
certainly wouldn't.
Not trying to be a downer, just a thought
Beth
> I suggest "The Koran" and "Wrath of Allah" as names for two
I'd be really careful about that one
OK, I've just got to pester you with questions on these:
1) When will/are the stats available for these?
2) When is Geohex going to carry them?!?!?
Thanks,
Mark
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
> Hi all,
are
> the first to know about them!
How about "Khomenei" Class? Or maybe "Mossadiq"?
Abdul Alhazred (The Mad Poet who wrote the Necronomicon) Yakthoob (His Wizard
Master)
Kitab al-Azif (The original title of the Necronomicon)
al-Hazred "one-who-sees-what-shouldn't-be-seen"
---
Brian Bell bkb@beol.net <mailto:bkb@beol.net>
http://members.xoom.com/rlyehable/
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Who's been playing Call of Cthuluhu?
LOL at least I resisted calling one "Al-Azif"
> -----Original Message-----
shub-niggarath
ia, ia hastu..........
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> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Laserlight wrote:
> >I suggest "The Koran" and "Wrath of Allah" as names for two
Perhaps folks are overreacting. I'd take a look at andrew toppan's navy page
and see what the Saudi's and Iranians have for naval nomenclature. Same goes
for the Egyptians. Is Turkey part of the IF?
> good idea. I
Rushdie class ;-/
More seriously:
Hassan Sabbah Haschishin Hassassin
from al-Hassan ibn-al-Sabbah the old man of the mountains the
original assassin or holy killers of Islam.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info4.shtml
(take the pictures tuffley or the puppy gets it)
> Ryan M Gill wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Laserlight wrote:
I think we have to tread carefully around the religious aspect here. I can
claim a bit more personal experience than most as well, since my wife and
in-laws are all Moslems (she was born in Britain, her parents immigrated
from the Kashmir). They are very liberal and open-minded about most
things (like letting their daughter marry an Englishman), but I think I would
have a fair deal of trouble explaining that I was playing a game that took
their holy book in vain. Using the name of the Koran or the Prophets would, in
my opinion, severely hinder St^3 Jon's expansion of his global business empire
into the Middle East ;-)
A further thought is that the IF would be unlikely to name a ship after the
Koran anyway - what if it was destroyed ? Try explaining that to the
faithful masses (analogous to Hitler renaming the 'Deutschland' during WWII
because he didn't want the ship carrying the name of the Fatherland to be
sunk).
> St^3 Jon wrote:
A little? More like microscopic! I think I've only seen two or maybe three
adverts from St^3 Jon this year! All of which I've eagerly read, and hoped
that Eureka in Australia, through MilSims, would produce the
product. )-:
On another commercial email list I'm on, it's more like an advert each three
or four days! Sengoku@onelist for those interested. This is not
being sarcastic! ^_^ I just think St^3 Jon should blow his hallowed
trump more often. Perhaps once a month? If not too hard for St^3 Jon. Or
perhaps we should appoint a Trumpet blower with the title of Gabriel? Whose
job it is to let us know what's happening St^3 Jon's
temple. ^_^
Comments?
And as a related aside, I've got a friend who wants to get a squad of the
Demon Babes, he reckons they're the ideal opponent for his Nuns
with Guns (and their 1/35 BTR APC (I'm forced to agree with him)), but
we haven't found Eureka in Australia producing them yet. Anyone know if they
do yet?
> OK, I've just got to pester you with questions on these:
When we get round to doing them! (Or someone else does them for us....
<hint!>)
> 2) When is Geohex going to carry them?!?!?
Masters will be shipped to both KR and Nic shortly; when they get them into
production is up to their scheduling.
Jon (GZG)
> Thanks,
are
> the first to know about them!
in
> keeping with the Islamic theme they all feature forward-swept
> St^3 Jon wrote:
So, does everyone want a little update notice each time we release some new
stuff?
> Comments?
Nic had the masters for these in the load he picked up from us while he was
over here a couple of months ago; you'll have to ask him when he'll have them
available (I don't think he's on this list anymore).
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
> So, does everyone want a little update notice each time we release
Yes, please. In addition, I'd like to hear about projects in development, too.
Periodic updates would be great.
-Mike
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Brian Bell bkb@beol.net
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> -----Original Message-----
Speaking for myself, I would enjoy a monthly notice of new things from Jon T,
KR, and Nic.
Excerpts from mail: 14-Oct-99 Re: [OFFICIAL] New Stuff fr.. by Ground
I think that I would agree with Beth that Koran would not be a correct name
for a ship. If the IF is made up of Islamic fundamentalist, they would never
even conceive of naming anything the Koran. However, the "Wrath Of Allah", the
Sword Of Allah, etc would be appropriate.
Kent McClure
> ----------
> owner-gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU at internet 10/14 7:33 AM >>>
YES! Please!
> Nic had the masters for these in the load he picked up from us while he
Please make sure KR gets them soon too. Christmas is just around the corner!
Mike
> Mike Wikan wrote:
...
> > FT-1001 Islamic Fed light fighters (6)* 0.95Saladin Class
> > FT-1010 Islamic Fed battleship 4.25 Sultan Class
Wouldn't 'Jihad' class do better for a (presumably not far off) carrier? How
about Hashashin (sp?) for the heavy fighter instead?
Camel class shuttle / freighter?
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> So, does everyone want a little update notice each time we release
I'd really like to hear from GZG on the current workings and up and comming
projects. Actully this is one of the reasons I'm a part of this list.
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
> >OK, I've just got to pester you with questions on these:
<hint!>)
Hey, I'd be more than happy to do them! Of course, I WOULD need to get some
advance copies of those models, you know, just to make sure that stats are
appropriate for them;).
Seriously though, Jon, thanks for the info,
> >1) When will/are the stats available for these?
Jon, Do you have any general thoughts on the design philosophy of the Islamic
Federation? Does the IF build ships that are fast with little or no armor (as
they were in the Crusades)? What weapon systems other than beams are they
partial to? (etc.) They have fighters but no carriers yet, are their carriers
for only hauling fighters around or are their carriers capable of defending
them selves? I can't remember off hand but who are their main opponents so we
know what type of ships they are built to counter (like NSL ships have lots of
PDS and ADFCs to counter the FSEs salvo missiles).
I'm just trying to pick your head on who the IF are so the designs really fit
into the GZGverse. A full backgound is not needed, just a couple thoughts on
the IF design philosiphy.
Excerpts from mail: 14-Oct-99 RE: [OFFICIAL] New Stuff fr.. by "Dean
Gundberg"@noridian
> Jon,
I suppose this would be dependant on the sorts of battles that the IF expects
to engage in.
Raids? Major space battles? Support of planetary drops? Home defense? Planet
devastation? Breakthrough?
In turn, what types of battles they expect to fight depend on who their
opponents are and what their opponents have (in terms of ships and planetary
resources and planetary defenses) and the general strategic relationship
between the IF and their opponents.
Are they fighting for territory (to take or defend)? Are they doing
punitive strikes? Pre-emptive strikes? Piracy (anti-shipping)? And so
forth.
I really don't know much about the IF, so I can't answer these questions.
Anyone else?
> On 14-Oct-99 at 13:18, Steven M Goode (gromit+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
Hey, not fair. All of the nations in FB have generalized ships. They aren't
running special purpose ships. If you want the IF to match up they need the
same design goals with some national "slant".
G'day guys,
> Andrew wrote:
He has been pretty busy with his pirates of late, but I think he has actually
got the Demon Babes up and going, well he didn't freak when I mentioned I was
looking at them for Christmas.
Brain (and many others) added:
> Speaking for myself, I would enjoy a monthly notice of new things
I agree, gives me something to tease Derek with;) However, Nic isn't on the
list anymore so getting one from him may be a bit more difficult.
Cheers
Beth
> Beth Fulton wrote:
> >I suggest "The Koran" and "Wrath of Allah" as names for two of the
> Call me overly politically correct,
OK Beth, if you insist...
> but that may not be such a good idea. I
Agree completely. This seems to me to be likely to offend a lot of people
who've done nothing to deserve being offended.
> Beth wrote:
Does Nic have an email address? Does Eureka Miniatures have an email address?
Does someone in Australia want to volunteer to post Eureka Miniatures info to
this list?
G'day Andrew,
> Does Nic have an email address?
Yep (see below).
> Does Eureka Miniatures have an email address?
there website is:
http://www.eurekamin.com.au/enter.html
email is:
nicr@eurekamin.com.au
> Does someone in Australia want to volunteer to post Eureka
If no one else closer to Nic does, I'd be willing to do it (assuming Nic's OK
with the idea).
Cheers
Beth
> At 01:37 PM 10/14/99 +0100, you wrote:
Do we want an update? Heck, we want to know every time you fart!
;-)
On a more serious note, yes, if time in the dungeon permits, we want to know
all about new releases. Even tittilate us with what you MIGHT be releasing in
6 months.
> Beth Fulton wrote:
> G'day Andrew,
Say, if Nic is on the web, why isn't he on the list like KR is? ;-)
> Donald Hosford wrote:
> Beth Fulton wrote:
G'day Donald,
> Say, if Nic is on the web, why isn't he on the list like KR is? ;-)
Well Nic says he can't be on the list otherwise he'd never get any work done,
not that I'm saying KR doesn't work, but maybe KR has more slav.. umm
helpers or Nic gets hassled by more customers - or may be people in the
US
read/write faster than people down here do... ;)
Cheers
Beth
> Beth Fulton wrote:
> G'day Donald,
Ahhh...work...I just knew that evil topic would enter this discussion.
8-D
> http://www.eurekamin.com.au/enter.html
The site is http://www.eurekamin.com.au
enter.html will just give you an error.
> Does Nic have an email address? Does Eureka Miniatures have an email
As Webmaster for Nic (yes folks, I'm responsible for the website) I'll gladly
post info... but what info are you looking for?
I'd suggest checking out the site, you'll probably find it.
http://www.eurekamin.com.au
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> On 15-Oct-99 at 01:22, Beth Fulton (beth.fulton@marine.csiro.au) wrote:
Well of course we read faster than you do, it must be rather hard reading
upside down.
> Agree completely. This seems to me to be likely to offend a lot of
Like Silent Death's proposed Ghandi class destroyer? Wound up as the (slightly
?) less offensive Kali class.
> Beth Fulton wrote:
Exactly why, albeit on a fictional level, AoG's (B5 Wars) choice of "G'Quan"
class for the Narn CH has been commented on as rather odd. The equivalent of a
"Jesus" class ship.... On the other hand, is the general consensus that names
like "Wrath of Allah", "Sword of Allah" etc, WOULD be acceptable and logical
for an islamic navy?
> On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Ground Zero Games wrote:
> Exactly why, albeit on a fictional level, AoG's (B5 Wars) choice of
The
> equivalent of a "Jesus" class ship....
But the narn are very different. They view their religion in different ways.
There could be a precident of naming things after their prophet.
When I think of this, what really pops into my mind is G'Kar telling
everyone's favorite security cheif
"Do not thump the book of G'Quan, it is disrespectful."
St^3 Jon asked
> Exactly why, albeit on a fictional level, AoG's (B5 Wars)
choice of
> "G'Quan" class for the Narn CH has been commented on as
Sword of Allah (or better, Sword of Islam) would probably be good. You should
be aware that there are different feelings about this sort of thing within
differing Muslim communities. For example, one set believes that giving a boy
the name "Mohammed" is improper; one set believes that it's okay to give him
the name but that it ought not to be used (and they call him by his middle
name instead); a third set feels that it is proper and simply gives him a high
standard to live up to.
> Jeremy wrote:
* New product availability. For example, are Demon Babes available yet? When
St^3 Jon says new product is available in England, and mentions that Nic has
been sent the molds, can an email be sent when the new product is ready to be
produced in Australia?
* Notable occurances, special offers, run outs? Updates to Eureka miniatures
site?
> Woohoo! More figures for me to collect. My wife is going to kill me!
Yup - I'm dead too!
In a message dated 99-10-15 19:17:20 EDT, you write:
<<
Exactly why, albeit on a fictional level, AoG's (B5 Wars) choice of "G'Quan"
class for the Narn CH has been commented on as rather odd. The equivalent of a
"Jesus" class ship.... On the other hand, is the general consensus that names
like "Wrath of Allah", "Sword of Allah" etc, WOULD be acceptable and logical
for an islamic navy?
Jon (GZG) >>
Do you all remember the stir caused in the U.S. when the Navy named one of
it's attack subs (or was it a Boomer?) Corpus Christi? I guess it all depends
just how much divine support you believe you have for your military efforts.
Perry
Yep. That was a new Ohio class boomer. The name caused quite a stir.
Mike
Michael Miserendino Senior Software Engineer Lincoln Re mtmiserendino@lnc.com
> owner-gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU at internet 10/25 8:53 PM >>>
In a message dated 99-10-15 19:17:20 EDT, you write:
<<
Exactly why, albeit on a fictional level, AoG's (B5 Wars) choice of "G'Quan"
class for the Narn CH has been commented on as rather odd. The equivalent of a
"Jesus" class ship.... On the other hand, is the general consensus that names
like "Wrath of Allah", "Sword of Allah" etc, WOULD be acceptable and logical
for an islamic navy?
Jon (GZG) >>
Do you all remember the stir caused in the U.S. when the Navy named one of
it's attack subs (or was it a Boomer?) Corpus Christi? I guess it all depends
just how much divine support you believe you have for your military efforts.
Perry
> [Controversy over naming subs "Corpus Christi"
Actually, it was a Los Angeles-class attack boat. Boomers are named
after states (like battleships of old; I suppose 24 Tridents is the modern
equivalent of 9 x 16"...). Attack subs are named after cities (like cruisers
used to be). As I recall, the objections were moderated slightly by changing
the name to "USS City of Corpus Christi."
Oops! You're right. That was a 688. I could have sworn I read it from a
newspaper article that referred to it as an Ohio class. Anyways, not all 688s
were named after U.S. cities, much like other classes they sometimes vary from
the norm. The 688s include one named after Hyman Rickover. Also, I believe
there are two new attack subs in a new class or hull type that are under
construction and are both named after states. Surface ships are also named
after states and cities.
Mike
Michael Miserendino Senior Software Engineer Lincoln Re mtmiserendino@lnc.com
> owner-gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU at internet 10/26 10:40 AM >>>
Actually, it was a Los Angeles-class attack boat. Boomers are named
after states (like battleships of old; I suppose 24 Tridents is the modern
equivalent of 9 x 16"...). Attack subs are named after cities (like cruisers
used to be). As I recall, the objections were moderated slightly by changing
the name to "USS City of Corpus Christi."
Kent
In a message dated 10/26/99 9:41:14 AM Central Daylight Time,
> MTMiserendino@lnc.com writes:
<< Yep. That was a new Ohio class boomer. The name caused quite a stir.
Mike
Michael Miserendino Senior Software Engineer
Lincoln Re
mtmiserendino@lnc.com
> owner-gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU at internet 10/25 8:53 PM >>>
In a message dated 99-10-15 19:17:20 EDT, you write:
<<
Exactly why, albeit on a fictional level, AoG's (B5 Wars) choice of "G'Quan"
class for the Narn CH has been commented on as rather odd. The equivalent of a
"Jesus" class ship.... On the other hand, is the general consensus that names
like "Wrath of Allah", "Sword of Allah" etc, WOULD be acceptable and logical
for an islamic navy?
Jon (GZG) >>
Do you all remember the stir caused in the U.S. when the Navy named one of
it's attack subs (or was it a Boomer?) Corpus Christi? I guess it all
depends
just how much divine support you believe you have for your military efforts.
Perry >>
AIRC, they ended up naming it "The City Of Corpus Christi", it was the local
Catholic Church that really made the fuss. The whole of South Texas was in a
stir over that one.
John