More Hammer's Slammers figs now available!!
FULL LIST so far...... (all £1 each, except 08 (skimmer/rider) £2.50).
HS-01A Trooper or Crewman standing, holstered 1cm pistol, hands on hips
- in body armour and commo helmet, faceshield
OPEN.
HS-01B As HS-01A, but with helmet faceshield CLOSED.
HS-01C As HS-01A, but bareheaded - flat-top haircut. NEW ADDITION!
HS-01D As HS-01A, but bareheaded - shaved head. NEW ADDITION!
HS-02A Trooper or Crewman standing, 1cm Powergun SMG at ready
- in body armour and commo helmet, faceshield OPEN.
HS-02B As HS-02A, but with helmet faceshield CLOSED.
HS-03A Trooper or Crewman kneeling, firing 1cm pistol
- in body armour and commo helmet, faceshield OPEN.
HS-03B As HS-03A, but with helmet faceshield CLOSED.
HS-04A Trooper or Crewman standing, firing 2cm Powergun rifle
- in body armour and commo helmet, faceshield OPEN.
HS-04B As HS-04A, but with helmet faceshield CLOSED.
HS-05A Trooper or Crewman advancing with 2cm Powergun rifle
- in body armour and commo helmet, faceshield OPEN.
HS-05B As HS-05A, but with helmet faceshield CLOSED.
HS-06A Female Trooper with 1cm Powergun SMG, hand on helmet
- in body armour and commo helmet, faceshield OPEN. NEW ADDITION!
HS-07A Female Trooper walking with 2cm Powergun rifle and ammo case,
- in body armour and commo helmet, faceshield OPEN. NEW
ADDITION!
HS-08B Trooper on "Skimmer" one-man hoversled; faceshield closed,
slung 2cm rifle. £2.50 each (includes "hovering" base for skimmer) NEW
ADDITION!
Next batch of figures very soon - with grenade launchers, buzzbombs and
more!
All these, WITH PICS, should be up on the webstore very soon.
Cool!! Are these in 25mm? Also, are there any plans to do vehicles or is the
plan to use current GZG vehicles?
Thanks Jason
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> Cool!! Are these in 25mm? Also, are there any plans to do vehicles or
Yes, 25mm (though they will mix in with some of the less-caricatured
28mm stuff as well).
These are officially sanctioned by David Drake. In a co-operative
effort, Old Crow are doing some new vehicles that are closer to David's
concepts,
and we're doing the crews for them. Our old "not-quite-Slammers" range
will stay in production.
Jon (GZG)
> Thanks
£2.50).
> HS-01A Trooper or Crewman standing, holstered 1cm pistol, hands on hips
Any
> disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of
Sounds good!:)
I'm sorting out my orders, just waiting for the dang
study loans to come through... :-/
Are the slammers eligible for squad/platoon orders
like the Stargrunt troops?
Just an idea... Have you got concept scetches of figures? They would be nice
to see.:)
> --- Ground Zero Games <jon@gzg.com> wrote:
-------snip--------
> Sounds good! :)
....so you can spend them on important stuff, like miniatures!! ;-)
> Are the slammers eligible for squad/platoon orders
Yes, they are, though the "support weapon" (buzzbomb and grenade launcher)
figs aren't done yet (they are due soon) - you can order a platoon or
squad, but right now it would only consist of a mix of pistols, SMGs and
riflemen.
> Just an idea... Have you got concept scetches of
There are concept drawings for the weapons, which John Treadaway did -
I'm not sure if he's put any up in the Slammers stuff on the Warlords' website
(try www.salute.co.uk). The uniforms, commo helmets etc came out of email
discussions with Dave Drake, plus some snapshots of a mate of John's wearing
some 'Nam era US tankie gear.....
So when do we get the 15mm Slammers (he says with faint hope...)?
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
> Sounds good! :)
website
> (try www.salute.co.uk). The uniforms, commo helmets etc came out of
> From: Tony Francis tony@brigademodels.co.uk
Right AFTER the 15mm Islamic Federation troops! <grin>
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Not buying Slammers in 25mm, will probably buy in 15mm.
> laserlight@quixnet.net wrote:
> From: Tony Francis tony@brigademodels.co.uk
> Tony Francis wrote:
I'm dropping another plug for 15mm ScanFed! :-)
Mk
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
> From: Tony Francis tony@brigademodels.co.uk
Ok Laser, here's the deal - you (and the rest of the guys on the list
who
are reading this and are interested) get us enough pre-orders together
to cover the cost of moulding a pack of 15mm IF, and we'll do 'em..... bit
like Nic's 100 Club, but a bit more unofficial...... we'd need to sell
about 60 packs (of 8 figs) to hit break-even point.
Over to you.... ;-)
(BTW, this goes for any of the other SG ranges that you'd like in 15mm,
too....)
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
bit
> like Nic's 100 Club, but a bit more unofficial...... we'd need to sell
Roight, then. Who's with me on ScanFed 15s?? :-)
Mk
> So when do we get the 15mm Slammers (he says with faint hope ...)?
I've got three tanks and one combat car in 25mm; I suppose I should get some
appropriate troops, though these poor babes will never get a proper
workout, hell, a paintjob, with a vacc-head like moi...
> So when do we get the 15mm Slammers (he says with faint hope ...) ?
Ok, put me down for three each, and three if you ever do a 15mm Station and
Ship Crew pack. Yeah, I'm crazed, but maybe this will get something named
'Evans'. The closest I've got to a named item is a Kra'Vak Riding Beast
"cavalry".
The_Beast
Indy wrote in reply to Jon T.:
> >Ok Laser, here's the deal - you (and the rest of the guys on the list
bit
> >like Nic's 100 Club, but a bit more unofficial...... we'd need to
Well, if you help me out with Phalon 15s I don't mind buying a platoon of
ScanFeds :-)
Jon: sign me up for 3 packs of ScanFeds 15s and 6 packs of Phalon 15s...
...BTW, how many packs of 6mm figures do you need to sell to break even?
Later,
Oerjan, he said 60 packs to break even.
What figs are available in 15's right now?
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
I'd be in for 10 packs of Hammer's in 15mm
--Binhan
> -----Original Message-----
I'd go for 10 packs of Hammers in 15's
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
While the Slammer books are some personal favorites IMO the armored combat
would be more appropriate to DSII (Can I ask for a DS III?).
Just curious, but are these going to be "stand-alone" minis or is there
a game planned to utilize them? (Not disparaging SGII, but it has it's own
minis and story).
Thanks! Bill
PS: Please could we have a Dirtside update? Pretty please? Pretty, pretty,
please!?
> Ground Zero Games
> <jon@gzg.com> To:
gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> Sent by: cc:
> owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.B> Subject: RE:
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> 02/19/2003 04:21 PM
> Please respond to gzg-l
> Yes, 25mm (though they will mix in with some of the less-caricatured
Jason said:
> Oerjan, he said 60 packs to break even.
That was 60 packs of 15's...Oerjan was asking about 6mm.
Actually, there is a Hammer's Slammers game in production, hence the
miniatures.
> Bill Brush wrote:
> While the Slammer books are some personal favorites IMO the armored
> >Ground Zero Games
> ><jon@gzg.com> To:
gzg-l@csua.berkeley.edu
> >Sent by: cc:
> >owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.B> Subject: RE:
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> [quoted text omitted]
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> >02/19/2003 04:21 PM
> >Please respond to gzg-l
> [quoted text omitted]
> [quoted text omitted]
> Yes, 25mm (though they will mix in with some of the less-caricatured
Gotcha, sorry.
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Bradley, Jason (US - Minneapolis) wrote:
> Oerjan, he said 60 packs to break even.
Oerjan was asking in regards to the 6mm (DS scale) stuff. Jon was indicating
60 packs for break even for the 15mm stuff.
> What figs are available in 15's right now?
The four main powers (NAC, NSL, ESU, FSE) have at least one regular squad of 8
(the ESU have at least 2 different regular squads: one with a cape and the
same without) and a squad of PA. The UNSC and IJN also have a regular squad
each. The Kra'Vak
have a regular squad, a "cavalry" squad (think Warg-mounted
Predators), and a PA squad. That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Mk
> -----Original Message-----
bit
> > >like Nic's 100 Club, but a bit more unofficial...... we'd need to
Any
> disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of
No OUDF?
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
Would you mind giving me some more details? Who publishes it, scale, etc?
Thanks! Bill
> Michael Llaneza
> <maserati@speakeasy.>net> To:
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> Sent by: cc:
> owner-gzg-l@lists.CSUA.B> Subject: Re:
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> 02/20/2003 04:02 PM
> Please respond to gzg-l
> [quoted text omitted]
> Actually, there is a Hammer's Slammers game in production, hence the
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Bradley, Jason (US - Minneapolis) wrote:
> No OUDF?
Not that I am *aware* of, but that doesn't mean anything. ;-)
Thinking about it, I have this feeling the IJN also have a PA squad, but not
sure.
It all should be detailed in the online catalog, which I cannot
get to at this time (low-tech interface from home means no real
web access except lynx, and that doesn't give you pics ;-)
Mk
> -----Original Message-----
Any
> > disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking
Any
> disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of
I thought it was being produced in conjunction with if not by GZG?
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
--- Indy <kochte@stsci.edu> wrote:------------>
> Roight, then. Who's with me on ScanFed 15s?? :-)
Put me up for two platoons!
On Friday, February 21, 2003 5:31 AM, Ground Zero Games
[SMTP:jon@gzg.com]
wrote:
> Ok Laser, here's the deal - you (and the rest of the guys on the list
bit
> like Nic's 100 Club, but a bit more unofficial...... we'd need to sell
I'll sign up for 5 packs of 15mm Slammers.
Also 1 pack of 15mm Station Personnel if it eventuates.
> No OUDF?
No, that's another one on the list of "possibles".
Jon (GZG)
> Jason
Any
> disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking
Any
> disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of
> --- Indy <kochte@stsci.edu> wrote:------------>
So that's 6 packs or so? I guess I'm going to have to start keeping count!
;-)
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Bradley, Jason (US - Minneapolis) wrote:
I think break-even point on a 6mm infantry p[ack (assuming 4 different
inf
poses) would be around 25-30 packs. These numbers all assume we are only
covering basic sculpting costs, we would absorb things like the mould costs.
> What figs are available in 15's right now?
NAC have 3: helmets, berets, PA. ESU have capes, no capes, PA. FSE have
helmets, kepis, PA. NSL have regs, jagers, PA. UN have hardsuit inf. Japs have
inf and PA. K'V have inf, cav (riding beasts) and PA. There is also a Colonial
Militia pack.
Jon (GZG)
> Mk
Any
> disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking
> I thought it was being produced in conjunction with if not by GZG?
What is happening is this (I don't think I'm giving away anything that hasn't
already been released on Dave Drake's own website):
There is a book on the Slammers being prepared, written by John Lambshead and
John Treadaway. It will be published by Iain Dickie (Pireme Publishing,
publishers of Miniature Wargames magazine). The original concept was a sort
of Osprey-like guide, but that has now expanded to include a game system
as well (which John Lambshead is writing). We were asked to do the figures,
and Old Crow the vehicles.
I think the intended publication date is late 2003/early 2004, for a
major launch at Salute 2004.
Jon (GZG)
> Jason
Any
> disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of
I would be in for about 10 of those!
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
What about 15mm vehicles that exist in both 6mm and 25mm versions?
> On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 10:31 AM, Ground Zero Games wrote:
> > Ok Laser, here's the deal - you (and the rest of the guys on the
Sign me up for 16 packs of Islamic Fed infantry
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
> From: Tony Francis tony@brigademodels.co.uk
OK, I'm up for 15mm NI - anyone else ?
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
> > So when do we get the 15mm Slammers (he says with faint hope ...) ?
Well, if Jez doesn't want to, I'm sure there would be other volunteers
;-)
> then I could talk to Dave Drake about doing it all in 15mm. Then there
> is 6mm as well, of course..... ;-)
> What about 15mm vehicles that exist in both 6mm and 25mm versions?
I'm afraid this isn't likely to happen in the near future, but that doesn't
mean it won't EVER happen.....
Jon (GZG)
> On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 10:31 AM, Ground Zero Games wrote:
This is what people have so far said they'd buy re: the 15mm
"possibles"....
Current counts as of morning of 21st Feb......
Islamic Fed: 19 packs Scanfed: 12 packs Slammers: 28 packs OUDF: 10 packs
Phalons: 6 packs
If/when any of these hit 60 packs, we promise to make them....
And yes, I AM keeping track of who has asked for what, and how many, so please
DON'T ask for them unless you genuinely intend to buy them....
;-)
Apologies if this double-posts - sent it early this morning, hasn't
appeared on the list yet.... :-/
> Ground Zero Games wrote:
Odd. I sent a msg late last night [my time] with what I had counted from the
list. THis is what I came up with:
Who: ScanF IF Slamm Crew* Phalon Indy 4 1 1 2 2
The_Beast 3 3 3 3 -
Oerjan 3 0 0 0 6 Johan B 6 0 0 0 0 Jason B 0 0 10 0 0 Laserlight 0 16 0 0 0
--- --- --- --- ---
Curr Total 16 20 14 5 8
* - station/ship crew
> If/when any of these hit 60 packs, we promise to make them....
;-)
I promise to buy. :-)
Mk
> Indy wrote:
> Odd. I sent a msg late last night [my time] with what I had
I sent a message this morning that as far as I can see hasn't appeared on the
list yet.
> Who: ScanF IF Slamm Crew* Phalon
Add me for 6 packs of New Israelis, 4 packs of crew figures, 6 Slammers.
I'd also put in a vote for generic (combat fatigues, caps / berets /
bareheaded) gun / heavy weapon crew and generic (cap / beret / bonedome)
vehicle crew, both full-figures and half-figures for putting in hatches.
If these appeared I'd have at least half-a-dozen of each.
Does anyone know of any pics of the ScanFed 25s anywhere? I'd like to see
those before I decide.
Well I can go for 12 packs of Slammers...) Add me to the growing list.
Don
[quoted original message omitted]
You can put me on that list for 10 OUDF as well!
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:59:53 +0000, Ground Zero Games <jon@gzg.com>
wrote:
> And yes, I AM keeping track of who has asked for what, and how many, so
;-)
Cool... Then put me down for 16 packs of 15mm Phalons.
Now, what about 15mm vehicles? I'm sure there would be a _lot_ of
interest in those, and a greater likelihood of people getting together and
having them produced. (I'm guessing I won't get to see 15mm Phalon vehicles,
so I'll have
to figure out what to do with those if/when the 15mm Phalons go into
production...).
> Allan Goodall wrote:
> Now, what about 15mm vehicles? I'm sure there would be a _lot_ of
Yes indeed. I for one would be inclined to get 15mm figs if the
vehicles were available (esp. the high-mobility wheeled vehicles -- the
Phalanx, Paladin, Hoplite...).
I generally like to stick with one manufacturer for figs so I would be all for
some 15mm vehicles!!
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
***
Who: ScanF IF Slamm Crew* Phalon Indy 4 1 1 2 2
The_Beast 3 3 3 3 -
Oerjan 3 0 0 0 6 Johan B 6 0 0 0 0 Jason B 0 0 10 0 0 Laserlight 0 16 0 0 0
--- --- --- --- ---
Curr Total 16 20 14 5 8
***
I haven't found all that you mention, Indy, but you did miss:
Who: ScanF IF Slamm Crew* Phalon OUDF NI Brendan R 5 Binhan L. 10 Jason B. 10
Now add: Tony F 6 4 6 Allen G. 16 Don M. 12
The_Beast 3 3 3
> devans@nebraska.edu wrote:
Yeah, I didn't see some of those come through. There's still mail missing from
last night I never saw posted (though amusingly enough I saw a post from Tony
F long before he saw it come through
the list - if he ever saw it come through the list!)
Looks like 15mm Slammers figs might become a reality long before
anything else. If I count correctly, that's a pre-desire order of
47 packs right now.
Mk
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:39:13 -0500, Indy <kochte@stsci.edu> wrote:
> Looks like 15mm Slammers figs might become a reality long before
Second in line are 15mm Phalons, with -- if I have the count right --
27! Now, if we could only get another 33 Phalon packs sold... I'm tempted to
pick them up just get the darned things made! *L*
> Allan Goodall wrote:
Likewise the ScanFeds (who still need 44 packs if my count is right and I
didn't miss yet another note). But I don't know
what I'd do with 44 packs of ScanFeds. :-/ (unless I'm going
to do 15mm DirtSide, but even then...)
Mk
Allen, are there any 15mm vehicles for Phalons? I wouldn't mind picking some
up except I would want some appropriate looking vehicles as well.
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:40:57 -0800, "Bradley, Jason (US - Minneapolis)"
> <jabradley@deloitte.com> wrote:
> Allen, are there any 15mm vehicles for Phalons? I wouldn't mind
Not that I've been able to find. Jon has two 25mm vehicles, plus a drone pod,
but nothing in 15mm. I'm trying to hunt down 15mm vehicles that would work.
They only have to look "organic" or "snail-like", preferably grav or GEV
driven.
Well, if you drum up more interest keep me informed and I may jump in to help.
Also, if you have any suggestions for vehicles as well let me know as I
currently can't think of anything at the moment in the 15mm range that are
suitable!
Jason
[quoted original message omitted]
I'd be interested in 4 packs of slammers and a couple of the station crew
and phalons. What I really want are the BUgs and some vehicles - AV6
and AV9's.
Ah, but some of us love it because:
1) It's my beloved 6 mm scale (okay, I am pretty much pre-MG where mass
is important in a literal sense - anything after the 1870's up to SF has
less useful 'mass' appearance.) 6 mm aka as 1/300th or 1/285th although
the anal-retentive will disagree.
2) I like company (-) actions at least as much as
Platoon/Squad/skirmish/RPG battles.
3) I can include BT packages I have bought on bargain bin or second hand
(Kurita infantry - multiple boxes, proto-mechs selected Mechs...)
I * would * like to see the chits replaced by dice (I like chits but some
people don't that i game with...)
Gracias, Glenn
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:59:42 -0600 "Bill Brush"
<bbrush@unlnotes.unl.edu> writes:
> How would I change DS? Well that's a very good question.
I really don't want to be unpopular with this comment, but there is a danger
to producing the same vehicle in multiple scale. I reference Agents of Gaming
introduceing the Fleet Action scale, instantly killing off the entire market
for their full size line. This is the first thing they did to kill
themselves off. That said, I prefer 15mm as I have thousands of other
15mm figures and lots of 15mm terrain. I hate going to another scale.
But, I was considering doing 25's just because that's where the figures were.
When 15's become a real option, that basically eliminates me as a 25mm
customer. Looking at this from GZG's perspective, is this really the
way you want a customer to think? The rules are great, the miniatures
are excellent, is there a business reason for the 1) additional inventory
2)
splitting an already small market.
That being the case, I would like to see a complete 15mm line of everything,
including civilians, space ship crews (overalls, clip boards, tools, consoles,
etc), vehicles, troops. Space ship crews should not have hats. There is
absolutely NO REASON why an engineer shoulds where a hat in his own engine
room.). Lots of aliens too.
Now while I really would like to see that, that doesn't mean that there is a
business reason for it. I don't think that GZG could break even on the stuff I
want to see.
15mm figs: Small, but 2 packs of Crew (/Station) figs would be useful,
please Jon (I've got a fair few from elsewhere) [I'll pick up at a
show][when/if...;-)].
I may want some Slammers, too but I'll give numbers later rather than muck
figures around here. Cheers,
> I really don't want to be unpopular with this comment, but there is a
AOG did not kill off their line by comming out with a smaller line of ships.
In one scale a destroyer cost about $10 while in FA the same amout would buy a
package of 3 ships. If you wanted only a few ships the original scale was
fine. If you wanted a large fleet action then the
smaller scale was better. I did use the FA fighter for both scales manly due
to the fighters looking "better" and costing less (my stands are mounted three
fighters per stand and there is a dial to show the actual number).
So for example: Narn original scale 26 ships FA 102 ships and 68 stands of
fighters Centauri original scale 35 ships FA 145 ships and 124 stands of
fighters by the way to plug GZG FT UN fleet 141 ships and 56 stands of
fighters
Historical minatures have been using duplicate lines in multiple scale for
many years Essex duplicates in 15mm and 25m for most of their lines
Superior 1/1200 and 1/2400 scale ships
Old Glory may have split off their 15mm off but it still made in 15mm and 25mm
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:49:36 -0500, "Mike Hillsgrove"
<mikeah@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> But, I was considering doing 25's just because that's where the figures
Note that FMAS will work in 15mm but looks better (and has a scale matched to)
25mm. There are also a lot of people who don't care for 15mm and will stick
with 25mm.
The problem with Agents of Gaming was that their large ships were very
expensive and a pain to play with. They were so big that you needed a big
table or had to handle ships bumping into one another. The fleet scale just
made more sense for everyone involved. It's not like you had to worry about
terrain or buildings.
The case for 25mm versus 15mm is different. There are people who simply will
not play 15mm. They find them too hard to paint, or they find it difficult to
find pre-made buildings. There are those who don't like 25mm, and many
of those people are already playing SG2 in 15mm anyway. They want GZG vehicles
versus what they are doing now.
As mentioned, with a release of FMAS you'll be able to use a small smattering
of your 25mm figures for 15mm. I suspect, actually, that people will end up
with a couple of large SG2 forces in 15mm or 25mm and a lot of small forces
for FMAS almost entirely in 15mm.
Allan said:
> Note that FMAS will work in 15mm but looks better (and has a scale
<sotto voce> scale for 15mm is 1" = 10ft/3meters, rather than 25mm's
1"=6.5
feet ...
If you're playing a RPG, use 25mm. If you're playing a military unit (ie not
focused on individuals), 15mm works fine.
25mm is easier to paint, in the sense of picking out all the details. 15mm is
easier to paint, in the sense that there aren't as many details that you need
to pick out. For ECC, I painted 17 of 15mm Afghanis in the same time that I
painted one 25mm IF soldier. The IF soldier looks a lot better, of course, but
OTOH I had the Afghanis finished in about 30 minutes except for the bases.
Well, according to AOG (when they existed), orders for the full size figures
from stores dropped to near zero once the FA size came out. They had to
abandon the Full Size line entirely.
Hopefully, this won't happen here.
GZG at least has very playable rules.
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:14:48 -0600 Allan Goodall
<agoodall@hyperbear.com> writes: <snip>
> As mentioned, with a release of FMAS you'll be able to use a small
MY plans (other than for DS2 - my main effort - and FT - my
"afterthought" forces) is to have small but complete 25 mm (Starguard and
older SF figures I already have) forces (several squads to a Platoon minus)
supplemented by 'to be bought' GZG squads * and * in 15 mm (I got
a deal so I now own 15 mm figures.) In other words 'duplicate' forces!
(okay some fudging will be necessary in some cases altrhough I do have some
exact second hand same figures in 25 and 15 both) for those
scenarios using Stargrunt 2/Starguard/Space Marines rules
When FMAS comes I will probably try it in both...
> Allan Goodall http://www.hyperbear.com
Gracias,