[OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

9 posts ยท Apr 28 2002 to Apr 29 2002

From: Ground Zero Games <jon@g...>

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:40:33 +0100

Subject: [OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

Hello all,

As you've probably noticed in the recent email from KR at GeoHex, the licence
for GeoHex to produce and distribute GZG ranges and publications for the US
and Canada is now terminated. I thought I'd better make an [OFFICIAL]
announcement to clarify the situation and allay any fears and rumours that
might arise from this news, so here goes.....

The termination of the licence has been at KR's request, though it has
actually only just pre-empted me making the same move from this end, so
in effect it's a mutual decision. GeoHex has done a good job of bringing our
products to the attention of the North American market over the last nine
years, but over that time the market and the hobby have both changed
enormously - when the licence was instigated, online sales were unheard
of and international mailorder was pretty uncommon, and I (as GZG) in the UK
did not have anything like the capacity or organisation to even think about
supplying the US market in any realistic way except by licencing the
product lines out to a US-based manufacturer.

Things are, of course, rather different today; the huge growth of online sales
means that now almost anyone can mailorder from anywhere in the world with
confidence and security (at least if you go to reputable suppliers
-
which I sincerely hope we are!!). Additionally, we now have a MUCH greater
capacity for production and supply than we did nine years ago (hey, we've had
a 100% increase in staff numbers, for one thing.... <grin>), to the point
where we can now turn round most mailorders within 24 hours rather than 28
days!

Having goods produced under licence has had it's good side for us, of
course - we have got a lot of market exposure in the US that wouldn't
have
happened if we'd just been seen as a tiny UK-based manufacturer of
obscure products (even though that's exactly what we are!); the downside is
that, despite a lot of product being shifted in the US, we only ever get to
see a TINY amount of the money that is generated by this.... the retail store
gets it's cut, then the distributor gets theirs, then the licenced
manufacturer gets theirs, then finally at the end of the line we get to see a
rather small percentage figure of what's left as royalties.
Now, I'm not complaining about this - it's how the system works, and how
the licence was negotiated; BUT, the point is that if we even sell a
_small
fraction_ of the US sales figures as direct mailorder, then we actually
get to see a lot more hard cash, which is good for everyone because it keeps
us in business and keeps us producing all the stuff that you guys want!

So, for a while at least, we're going to see how things go with direct sales.
We won't AT THIS STAGE be appointing another US distributor or licencee,
though I don't rule this out at a later date if a suitable
person/company should come up; in the meantime, everything that we
produce can be supplied to you direct from the UK, via the webstore
(<www.gzg.com>), or by phone or fax (UK country code (44) +1449 722322,
UK working hours for phone or anytime for fax), and even by good
old-fashioned
snailmail. We will also be able to supply at trade prices to individual retail
stores in the US and Canada (or anywhere else for that matter), something that
we've been strictly prohibited from doing in the past by the terms of the
licence agreement, so any game stores that still wish to carry our product
will be able to get it direct from us (that means no hassles with their
distributors telling them that stuff is not available because they couldn't be
bothered to order any from the next link up the chain....).

Now, here's the bit where you can all help (if you want to, that is!):

Firstly, please forward the news release below to any other mailing lists,
discussion groups, forums etc. you may be on, to whom you feel that the news
might be relevant or interesting (please DON'T just forward this whole
email, as most of it is intended for GZG list members only - just snip
out the release at the foot of the email and post that).

Secondly, please help us to keep up the visibilty and profile of the games and
minis in North America; a lot of stores will most likely lose interest when
they find they can't get supplies from GeoHex any more, and of course the
inevitable wild rumours will start to circulate about us going bust,
etc, etc....
Please spread the word as far as you can - tell people that we're VERY
much still in business, and NOTHING has changed at our core business in the
UK; in fact we're hoping that it may be the springboard towards more expansion
and a faster release of cool stuff...... Also to this end, I want to look at
possibilites of supporting games and presentations at US conventions in the
same way that KR has in the past
-
we won't usually be able to be there in person, of course, but we'll be
happy to supply prizes, vouchers etc - this is something that needs a
lot of looking into, and won't be set up overnight, but I hope to get systems
in place by which any support that you can give us will be repaid in both
gratitude AND free stuff....!

Thirdly, if you are one of those who have already ordered from our Online
Store, please tell your friends - and anyone else who'll listen - how
easy and quick it is! A lot of US customers are, I think, a little wary of
overseas ordering - so if you've tried it and are happy with it, then
please spread the word (if you've tried it and are NOT happy for whatever
reason, please tell us - the fact that we've received very little
feedback about any problems hopefully suggests that there aren't very many!).
If any of you have any comments or endorsements on our mail-order
service that you wouldn't mind us quoting in publicity material, then please
email them to me....!
Oh, yes - we WILL be responding to all the requests for lots more
pictures on the Store site, just as quickly as I can arrange it.....

So, please talk to people - tell them what is REALLY happening (show
them this mail if they don't believe you!). Tell your friends and club buddies
to take a look at our online catalogue and store (there'll be some special
deals there again for May....), tell your FLGS (Friendly Local Game Store) to
drop me an email about direct trade order terms, offer to run games at clubs,
stores and cons, whatever you can think of.... we just need to
ensure that the wider gaming community out there beyond List-land stays
aware of us and what we produce.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to mail me either on or off list
(onlist if it will be of general interest, offlist otherwise please).

Thanks for your support past, present and hopefully future!

Jon (GZG)

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GZG NEWS RELEASE (28.04.02):

> From GZG - publisher of FULL THRUST, STARGRUNT and DIRTSIDE, and

With immediate effect, we have agreed with GeoHex to terminate the licence
under which they have acted as our North American agent, licencee manufacturer
and distributor. This in no way reflects adversely on either company (GZG or
GeoHex), but is due to the changing market for games products and miniatures
on both sides of the Atlantic. GeoHex will no longer be manufacturing our
lines under licence, and will not be supplying any GZG product after June 4th
2002.

We at GZG are still VERY much in business, supplying all our product lines
by direct mailorder from our base in the UK - customers throughout the
world are welcome to order online from our Store site at <www.gzg.com>; we
pride ourselves on providing an easy, quick, efficient and friendly service
with surprisingly low shipping costs.
Please check the Store site out - we will have some very special offers
and deals running throughout the month of May!

At the moment we have no immediate plans to appoint a new US distributor,
though if this changes we will of course announce it as soon as we can -
in the meantime, we are very happy to supply you directly.

As well as individual sales to customers, the termination of the distibution
licence means that we can now also offer direct trade sales to

From: Roger Books <books@m...>

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:54:30 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: [OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

I'm going to miss GZG coming from KR. I know, from experience, that it is just
as easy to order from the UK and the service in both places is excellent.
However, the pictures KR has
on his website of the DS and FT lines are _much_ better than
the ones at GZG. That difference tipped my orders to Geohex when he had what I
wanted.

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:00:35 +0200

Subject: Re: [OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

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From: Ground Zero Games <jon@g...>

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:30:06 +0100

Subject: Re: [OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

> I'm going to miss GZG coming from KR. I know, from experience,

As I mentioned in the announcement, we're going to be doing something about
that as soon as we can.

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:19:31 -0700

Subject: Re: [OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

Confession time: In all honesty, I do like the layout and the pictures at the
Geohex site better than GZG's. However, it is more economical for me to order
from GZG direct, even though I live in the same state as Geohex. What I've
found myself doing is browsing at one site, buying from the other.

3B^2

"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."

                                 - S. Freud

> From: Roger Books <books@jumpspace.net>

From: Don M <dmaddox1@h...>

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:31:22 -0500

Subject: Re: [OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

Brian, Yeah me too.....I'm so ashamed...(

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From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:34:52 -0400

Subject: Re: [OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

St.Jon^3.27 said:
> Thirdly, if you are one of those who have already ordered from our

It's easy and quick. I've ordered almost everything direct from Jon (because
KR wasn't producing things like IF ships) and always been happy. If you send
in an order a couple of days before a major UK show, then of course you're
going to have to wait a bit for Jon to get back and recuperate; otherwise,
orders are handled quickly (eg I sent in an order at 5pm US East Coast time
once and it shipped the next UK morning). If your orders are just for lead,
Jon can often send it as a "small package" for a minimal shipping amount. If
you have a local shop who's being helpful, then of course you should support
them. If you don't have one handy, then you need have no qualms about ordering
straight from Jon.

From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>

Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:48:02 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: Re: [OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Brian Bilderback wrote:

> Confession time: In all honesty, I do like the layout and the pictures
 What
> I've found myself doing is browsing at one site, buying from the

Given my unlimited income (again, I've won the lottery; that's 17 times this
decade; <sigh>), and copious amounts of stuff I've ordered from both KR and
Jon, I can say I've ordered equally from both (but since I've also seen KR in
RL, I think then I've actually bought more from KR). Sorry to see KR go from
this, but I understand the reasonings behind things.

From: Allan Goodall <agoodall@a...>

Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:56:22 -0500

Subject: Re: [OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT] Re: Geo-Hex and GZG

On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:48:02 -0400 (EDT), Dances With Rocks
<kochte@stsci.edu> wrote:

> I can say I've ordered equally

I do most of my through-the-year purchases from Jon. I did most of my
convention purchases from KR. All told I probably bought as much from either
one. They are both excellent companies to deal with.

Praise for KR: I ran the GZG events at GenCon for two years and KR was great
to deal with. He gave us painted models to use in scenarios, gave us terrain
to use for Stargrunt II and huge mats for Full Thrust, and he supplied prizes
for tournaments, etc. I don't have a lot of Geo-Hex battlescape terrain,
but I do have the Cavernscape set, a whole lot of individual hills, two
different starscape mats (one with hexes, one without) and some of their other
terrain
bits. Definitely consider Geo-Hex for your games.

Praise for Jon: Jon's turnaround on orders is something to be seen. The
fastest I ever received an order was when I sent an e-mail to Jon on the
Monday and had the package Wednesday night (overseas to Canada at the time).
Jon consistently gets packages to me in the US and Canada in 4 days or less.
Your mileage may vary, but quality of castings and the turnaround time is top
notch. You shouldn't have any qualms about ordering from overseas.