> John M. Atkinson wrote:
> > Please note that the numerous and valiant ships of the heroic
Empire! Humph!
> Note that the numerous but essentially worthless ships of the
<G> There are some... oddities with both NRE, IF and Alarishi designs,
however - I'm not sure if they are typos or miscalculations, though.
These are:
NRE Milvian Bridge-class Destroyer Leader. This unit is listed as Mass
44, but with Avg. hull, FTL and Thrust-6 such a ship could only carry 14
Mass of equipment. The Milvian Bridge has 15 Mass of equipment, forcing it to
be at least Mass 48 (CL size!).
NRE Commerce Raider: Same problem as for the Milvian Bridge.
NRE St.Symeon CA: With the hull and engines specified, a Mass 80 hull can only
hold 32 Mass of equipment. The St.Symeon has 35 Mass of equipment (including
armour). (Smallest legal ship size is 87)
NRE St.Cyril BB: The hull integrity is given as 32, but should be 36 (Mass
120, Avg. hull; I assume this is a typo).
NRE de la Valette BC: With the hull and engines specified, a Mass 120 hull
could only have 36 Mass. It has 37, but in this case it is sufficient to
increase the hull size to 121 (which makes the total cost 4030 MN rather than
the 4060 listed). Hull integrity remains the same.
NRE Virgin Mary DNH: Should only be able to fit 100 Mass equipment; has 102
Mass (smallest legal ship size 254 Mass).
NRE Antioch CVE: The Mass given is 106 which allows it 42 Mass of equipment,
but it only actually uses 41 (which would allow as small a
hull as 101 Mass). Using 3 FC for 2 Class-1 and 1 Class-2 batteries
seems a bit much too...?
NRE St.Peter CV: With a Mass of 280, the ship is allowed 112 Mass of
equipment. It only uses 106 (minimum legal Mass 264); should there be
another 3-arc Class-3, or something like that?
IFN Tulwar "DDH" (though at Mass 50 - *more* than the Turcoman and
Kronprinz Wilhelm classes of Light Cruisers! - I'm a bit suspicious
about calling this a "destroyer"... <g>): With a total Mass of 50, this ship
is
allowed 25 Mass of equipment; it only has 24. (How is it - can a single
FC control any number of SM salvoes in a turn? I don't remember, and my
ISP problems - even worse after the annual unexpected Christmas influx
of
new users - make it hard to reach the FAQ now :-( )
IFN Emir-class CVL: A system defence carrier... well, that's an
interesting concept :-) The hull integrity is listed as 8 on the web
page; it should be 18. I also get the cost to 314 rather than the 320 given on
the page...?
Alarishi Admiral CA: The specified hull and engines allow 27 Mass of
equipment; the ship has 29 (minimum legal hull size 98).
Alarishi Guardian DDE: The hull specified is allowed 14 Mass of
equipment. It only uses 12; I suspect that the missing 2 is the grade-2
armour of the Volga-class DDH which provided the hull.
As soon as I get updated info on these ships, I'll happily enter them
into the database :-)
Later,
> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
> These are:
I will be going through this mess of errata and editing as necessary, but for
the moment, my inclination is ask to make sure that you've got
the firing arcs down correctly--the last time someone asked me about my
designs was because I didn't explain my quirky firing arc notation, and
they thought I was running around with 5-arc Type Three batteries.
> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
> <G> There are some... oddities with both NRE, IF and Alarishi designs,
Should be fixed. Got some strange points values, would appreciate double
checks.
> NRE Milvian Bridge-class Destroyer Leader. This unit is listed as Mass
Not only corrected, but brought into line with Imperial Naval doctrine. This
used to be a SML design until I changed it in haste when I decided
to restrict SMLs to pure SML-armed formations. Didn't do math. :(
> NRE Commerce Raider: Same problem as for the Milvian Bridge.
Unsure what happened, I think it's fixed. Combination typo and miscalculation.
The web page didn't match the master copy Word file, and I couldn't get either
of them to add up right.
> NRE St. Symeon CA: With the hull and engines specified, a Mass 80 hull
Fixed, I think.
> NRE St. Cyril BB: The hull integrity is given as 32, but should be 36
Typo.
> NRE de la Valette BC: With the hull and engines specified, a Mass 120
Same Typo as above.
> NRE Virgin Mary DNH: Should only be able to fit 100 Mass equipment;
has
> 102 Mass (smallest legal ship size 254 Mass).
Fixed.
> NRE Antioch CVE: The Mass given is 106 which allows it 42 Mass of
Not only fixed, but corrected. The excess FCs are holdover from
cut-and-paste the Battleship.
> NRE St. Peter CV: With a Mass of 280, the ship is allowed 112 Mass of
Typo, yes there should be.
> IFN Tulwar "DDH" (though at Mass 50 - *more* than the Turcoman and
> John M. Atkinson wrote:
> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
All correct now :-)
> > NRE de la Valette BC: With the hull and engines specified, a Mass
No. The de la Valette has the correct hull integrity and is a legal design;
it's just that it doesn't have the Mass and cost specified on
your page :-) It is slightly bigger (not enough to require bigger
engines, fortunately) and slightly less expensive (since the shields of the
St.Cyril class were replaced with engines, and engines are cheaper).
> > NRE Virgin Mary DNH: Should only be able to fit 100 Mass equipment;
has
> > 102 Mass (smallest legal ship size 254 Mass).
Not on the web page, though :-( It still carries:
2xClass 2 Battery (360/FH) = 3+2 = 5 Mass
3xClass 3 batteries, (LS/RS/FH) = 3x6 = 18
2xClass 1 Battery = 2x1 = 2 14 tons module space = 14 5xFire Control = 5 6xPDS
= 6 Armor rating 9 = 9 Level 2 Shields = 25 2 Fighter bays = 18
for a total of 102 Mass.
> > NRE Antioch CVE:
Both correct now :-)
> > IFN Tulwar "DDH" (though at Mass 50 - *more* than the Turcoman and
I thought that was the speciality of the NRE, not the IF...? <G>
> Oerjan Ohlson wrote:
> > Same Typo as above. [St. Cyril hull integrity]
It was a typo. The master copy is a Word document. It's a St.Cyril hull with
larger engines. Converted battleships of an older class, updated to modern
standards, and with the armor stripped out.
> > > NRE Virgin Mary DNH: Should only be able to fit 100 Mass
I've got these designs in three places (Word document, HTML file on my
hard drive, web page). Fixed in two out of three--you try keeping track
of what's where at 0100.:) Uploaded the corrected file.
> > > IFN Tulwar "DDH" (though at Mass 50 - *more* than the Turcoman and
If you note, Laserlight revealed the real reason. Incompetence and disunity.
The two things I love about the Islamic Federation. If they could get their
act together, they could hold onto their planets.:)