Okay, if the high end forces (NAC in the example below) suffer from mass
drafting (assuming it doesn't take so long to train a competent
soldier/spaceman in the future despite the highly specialized nature of
warfare) problems - what does that mean for the lesser powers?
Will population small powers be capable of expanding their forces to a
significant degree? (IMO, no.) Will they be willing to work in
multi-power forces that take their units away from their sectors? Will
the idea that NAC colonies might be forced to depend on FSE naval forces for
defense while their FTL ships are on a deep strike mission be
palatable? And if the FSE can't/doesn't protect the colonies/planets
for whatever reason (justified or not) during that time how will the chances
for future multi-power forces to be assembled be affected?
How will the OU protect their planets? What will happen when the expanded IC
ground troops (and who decides who gets to have more troops in the IC system)
face Kravak invaders (assuming they don't just nuke human planets as SOP)?
Will the IF and the NI forces cooperate under UN auspices in repelling an
attack? Will the PAU send reinforcements to a NAC planet under attack? Will
the NAC accept them?
And will drug knowledgable agents of the IF take advantage of the effects of
mass conscription armies to push drugs to debilitate their enemies?
Gracias,
Glenn/Triphibious@juno.com
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:16:10 -0500 "Thomas Barclay"
> <kaladorn@fox.nstn.ca> writes:
From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@juno.com>
> How will the OU protect their planets? What will happen when the
A rather more worrisome question is, what happens when an expanded IC army
*stops* facing KV invaders? If you want a recipe for maximum chaos: the KV are
just passing through, the come in Hu"man space from one side and go out the
other side, pausing only to smack Earth and a few other major systems along
the way. With much of the inner core recovering, the highly militarized outer
worlds breathe a sigh of relief for about eight minutes, then start thinking
about what to do with their armies....even those nations which quickly demob
have a relatively large group of people who've had combat training and
experience, which tends to result in insurrections and revolutions
(analogously to what happened from 1945 through about 1970 in places like
Algeria, Kenya, Malaysia, Greece etc) when they're not being invaded by their
neighbors.
> Will the IF and the NI forces cooperate under UN
Of course not. The IF (NI) are an affront to YHWH (Allah), whereas rapacious
aliens are just aliens.
> And will drug knowledgable agents of the IF take advantage of the
Who told...er, I mean, no, never crossed our minds. IF traders selling opium
and so forth to ESU and NAC conscripts, what a
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 02:04:29PM -0500, Laserlight wrote:
"A new life awaits YOU in the off-world colonies!"
I.e., huge colonisation subsidies to get all these dangerous people split up
from each other, sent to places where their dangerousness might
be useful (cf Tim Zahn's _Cobra_ series), and acting as an early warning
for the next wave of attacks.
> Will the IF and the NI forces cooperate under UN
Who are _also_ an affront to YHWH (Allah), and will probably end up
with the IF (NI) collaborating with them. These infidels are all the same.
> Who told...er, I mean, no, never crossed our minds. IF traders
Where there is demand, there will be supply.
> "A new life awaits YOU in the off-world colonies!"
if anyone has the money to spare. And if they're willing to give away prime
colonizing territory for nothing. And if the dangerous people
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:04:29 -0500 "Laserlight" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
writes:
> From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@juno.com>
You know the very (or was that varied) open structure of the IF (plus their
um, 'open' political format) is attracting me to get some IC figures and try
and organize an IC force for DS2...
Would they be HVC, GMS/H, HKP, MDC, or DFFG prone? I would think DFFG
or maybe HVC? HEL seems unlikely (lots of closed terrain...)
Gracias,
From: "Glenn M Wilson" <triphibious@juno.com>
> Okay, if the high end forces (NAC in the example below) suffer from
OU: Navy, yes, it's designed that way. Ground Forces - given 5 years,
maybe.
> Will they be willing to work in
OU: Only if working with the UN.
> Will
It is to laugh.
> How will the OU protect their planets?
Guerilla warfare, both tactically and strategically. Over 50% of OU forces
will be operating behind enemy lines, either on worlds the OU has lost, or
deep strikes using raiding ships on KV colonies many many parsecs from the
front. The idea is to dilute enemy forces, force them to have garrisons here,
there and everywhere, so a relatively small forces can tie up huge fleets.
That's the theory, anyway. Unless your infrastructure and training has this as
a primary objective, don't try it, it's difficult to pull off.
> What will happen when the
See above. Nuking planets is discouraged - the OU has several thousand
tonnes of Lithium stored away. Drop a few hundred in a mainsequence
star's photosphere, and watch it become transparent to hard X-rays.
(see Fred Hoyle's "Rockets in Ursa Major"). This will sterilise the system if
you use enough, halfway between a really major solar flare
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 06:36:01PM -0500, Laserlight wrote:
With all the war-construction shipping still around, transport is cheap.
And subsidising colonists is probably cheaper than living with major civil
disturbance and possible insurrection.
> And if they're willing to give away
"Give away"? I'm thinking of worlds which could have been colonised anyway,
but hadn't yet been.
> And if the dangerous people
That just needs a good PR campaign. Let's face it, a lot of them _will_
be happier on a colony world than trying to fit into "civilisation" after
they've fought to the death for it...
From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@juno.com>
> You know the very (or was that varied) open structure of the IF
By that "they" I take it you mean IC rather than IF?
> Who told...er, I mean, no, never crossed our minds. IF traders
As, in the Tuffleyverse, the NAC holds the main Coca-growing
territories,
this could be a lively two-way trade.
;-)
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:55:54 -0500 "Laserlight" <laserlight@quixnet.net>
writes:
> From: Glenn M Wilson <triphibious@juno.com>
Roger that, we have expertise in the IF, right? <grin>
> At 12:02 31/12/01 +1100, you wrote:
> > Will they be willing to work in
That's your opinion:) Any nation with more than one star system is going to be
able to project power to varying degrees.
"The OUDF Navy is the space going arm of the Oceanic Union Defence Forces, it
is a professional volunteer force whose primary role is maintain the security
of the systems and territories which make up the Oceanic Union.
Because the Oceanic Union is a multi-system interstellar nation the OUDF
Navy has had to fully develop an efficient and well resourced deep space
navy. A measure of their success is that their fleets are capable of extended
operations beyond their borders, though not at the same force levels of the
super powers like the NAC or ESU."
[quoted original message omitted]
> --- "K.H.Ranitzsch" <KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de> wrote:
> It certainly worked for the Romans, who settled
Of course, the Romans also had an advantage in that when they conquered a
territory there were a lot of elibible widows for their soldiers to settle
down with.
I don't think that part of the plan will go over quite as well with the
veterans of the Intersentient Wars..
.
> On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 09:16:04AM -0800, John Atkinson wrote:
True; but all the forces we've met seem to be mixed-sex anyway.
> --- Roger Burton West <roger@firedrake.org> wrote:
Still, the option of settling down with K'V widows (which is what the joke
referred to, dammit!) should not appeal to human infantrymen of EITHER gender.
This ain't XXXenophile, dammit!
*Exasperated sigh*
> > True; but all the forces we've met seem to be
Might appeal to the KV widows, though, if they're
carnivores--anthropophagous. The HM infantrymen still wouldn't much
appreciate it though.
> --- Laserlight <laserlight@quixnet.net> wrote:
> > Still, the option of settling down with K'V widows
Doh! You're flirting with danger--the Narn Bat Squad
still exists.
G'day,
Our microwave link is down at work at the moment so I'm only getting half of
this so sorry if this has already been said etc.
> Still, the option of settling down with K'V widows
This is assuming that Humans don't find they can "relate" to the KV once the
initial "shock" of contact is over (and before you start casting aspersions
Mr Laserlight I was speaking completely platonically, and non-food wise
too for that matter, for a change!!). Same thing can be called upon to answer
some of Zachariah's comments on the likelihood of KV being upset at the
thought of massive Human civilian casualties. The KV may well have cultural
traditions/religious paradigms etc that make it totally unlikely we'd
ever
find anything in common/tolerable about the other. However, its also
possible that as sentient beings who've managed to support a cooperative
society long enough to get into space, transport troops which work in
coordinated groups etc that they will have points we can learn to live with or
points where we're less alike than we think.
Cheers
Beth replied to my comment:
> >> Might appeal to the KV widows, though, if they're