No! THIS is GW bashing! Hehehe.

2 posts ยท May 28 1997 to May 28 1997

From: Jerry McVicker <gmcvicke@w...>

Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:06:25 -0400

Subject: No! THIS is GW bashing! Hehehe.

IN GAMING HALLS, May 27th, 1997

A Declaration By the GAMERS of the WORLD COMMUNITY, In a general game
assembled

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one group of
Gamers to dissolve the Gaming Bonds which have connected them with another,
and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to
which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to
the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which
impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self evident, that
all Gamers are created equal, they the are endowed by their Creator with
certain unalienable Rights, that among these are, unambiguous rules, complete
rule sets, affordable miniatures and the pursuit of fair and friendly games.
That to secure these Rights, Gaming companies are instituted among men,
deriving their powers from the consent of the Gamers, that whenever any form
of Gaming Company becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Rights of the
Gamers to alter, abolish it, institute new games or to purchase from new
gaming companies. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Gaming companies should
not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience
hath shewn, that Gamers are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are
sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are
accustomed. But when a long Train of Editions, and Price Raises, pursuing
invariable the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute
Monopoly, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Gaming
Companies, and to provide new Games for their future entertainments. Such has
been the patient Sufferance of these Gamers; and such is now the Necessity
which constrains them to alter their Gaming Company. The History of the
President of Games Workshop is a History of repeated injuries and price
gouges, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute monopoly
over these Gamers. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

They have instituted continuous price increases without justification. They
have produced miniatures for numbers of years, without change in form and
charged a greater price. They have NOT produced miniatures for army books that
have been out for years. They have constantly revised editions of games and
forced us to buy the latest editions. The changes have been too drastic to
allow editions to play together. They have constantly produced miniatures,
included with their games that many gamers do not want, but give no allowance
to this. They have consistently produced games without complete rules sets, as
to allow them to sell us future rules that should have been included. They
have consistently produced games for which support is dropped in 18 months.
They have produced rule sets that are ambiguous and force us to buy a monthly
magazine for "official" answers. They have taken a gaming magazine, added
"official" rules and sold us the latest catalogue. They have "promised" that
army books would be compatible with the latest edition of Warhammer and then
proceed to rewrite them. Thus, forcing us to purchase OUR army books again.
They have replaced metal miniatures with plastic ones and either kept the
price the same or raised the price. They have reduced the number of "plastic"
miniatures in the plastic boxed set, to allow us to "easier field our
regiments" but not lowered the price. They have disallowed older "official
Citadel" miniatures in tournaments, saying that they are no longer "official"
They insist that all miniatures be what you see is what you get, or not allow
their use in games. They have made the Rhino model from the same mold for over
ten years. Yet they have went form $12.50 US for two to $18.00 US for one.
They have produced plastic Terminator models and attempted to sell them for
the outrageous price of $6.00 U.S. each. They have put items such as the
Forbidden Rod, The Book of Ashur in our games. They have insulted us by saying
"if the rules don't cover it, roll a d6", because they have written poor rule
sets. They have taken rules from older editions of games and introduced them
as "new", in rewritten Army books. They have reduced the number of models in a
blister pack from 3 to 2 and raised prices of the packs. They charge
outrageous prices for "Special Characters" even though you only get one
miniature in the pack, and then disallow them in a tournament games. They
remake demon models and raise the price 300%. They make regiments of troops in
Fantasy Battle not worth buying, eg. Two Skaven Slaves for $6.00 US for 4 pts.
of models in the game. They have given snotty customer service calls,
requesting that the "Consumer" say "Please!", when it is clear that they
should say "Please!" to us! They have harassed distributors for selling the
product they buy as seeing fit. They have harassed store owners for the way
they decide to conduct business. They have often said that gamers should use
their own models and conversions, but will not allow them in a tournament.
They have played games with the consumer, by repurchasing, repackaging and
reselling miniatures at a higher price. They have produced a game, Epic 40K,
which changed army organization and figure basing, in order to sell us new
miniatures. They have lowered the age requirements of their games and their
complexity, in order to lure in new gamers at a lower age level. Therefore
abandoning the older gamers that have played their games for some time. They
have misrepresented their position on the "Current Status" of gaming systems.
They have left many gamers without support, because of slowing sales. Which
they then reproduce after a number of years with new rules and miniatures.
They have added elements of randomness to our games that add nothing to game
play, but unbalances things to a greater degree. They have been utterly
insensitive to the voices of gamers, their needs or their economic station.
They have ignored pleas for justification of price increases and
 led
us to believe it was for "quality" alone.

In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most
humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only be repeated
Injury. A Company, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may
define a Monopoly, is unfit to be the Gaming supplier to a free gaming People.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the WORLD GAMING COMMUNITY, in General
agreement, appealing to the Gamers of the world for the rectitude of our
intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good Gamers of the World,
solemnly Publish and Declare, That these Gamers are, and of Right, ought to
be, Free and Independent of Games Workshop. That they are absolved from all
Allegiance to any rules systems and products they produce, and that all
commercial Connection between them and the Company of Games Workshop is and
ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent Gamers, they
have full Power to play and buy any games system, with any miniatures they see
fit, and to change any rules and any miniatures in order for a better game.
Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each
other our games, our fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

Signed,

Gerald McVicker, Member of the "World Gaming Community"

Feel free to copy this and replace it with your name. Send copies to your
friends. Make a statement to Games Workshop, send them a copy as well. Let
them know, that WE the WORLD GAMING COMMUNITY have the economic power to
decide which companies will supply us with out entertainment. Make them
remember that they work and cater to our needs, and that we will NOT be slaves
to thier prices!

From: Gary Ballard <gdaddy@m...>

Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:06:50 -0400

Subject: Re: No! THIS is GW bashing! Hehehe.

> Gerald McVicker wrote:

[A whole litany of GW bashing]

Yes, but if you enjoy their games, play them. If you don't, don't. Stop
bitching needlessly about them. If you don't wish to put up with them, it
doesn't mean someone else won't. I just am tired of hearing it.

> and that as Free and Independent Gamers, they have

Exactly my point. Just because you play with GW mini's and GW background
doesn't mean you play the same game they do. Anyone who's read a White Dwarf
battle report knows that the way the staffers play the game differs greatly
from what sober gamers play. Your message was funny, but only up to a point.

Mike Wikan made a good statment. This argument is pointless and neither side
will give up their tightly held views. In the interest of bringing this list
back to the correct topic, I will no longer reply to any GW bashing posts, but
simply ignore them, as my prudent side suggested earlier.