Hello One and All,
I am new to the SG game (and list), but a long time miniature wargamer, and I
have some questions that have arisen during play. I've checked what FAQ's, I
can find, plus tried searching the archive, but if anyone can answer these
questions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
1) Can you make support weapon teams, with two or more support
weapons?
2) Do they all fire under one action?
Reason I ask: A player made a detached element of his SAW and AGL troopers.
When he transferred actions, do they fire in unison? Or one action per weapon?
If they fire in unison, whose FP do you use?
3) If a squad fires it's weapons, but only the two support weapons
are in range, whose FP do you use?
Reason I ask: Same player made a assault shotgun squad (close range only), but
also gave them a standard SAW and IAVR. If they choose to shoot (and use the
SAW and IAVR to support), and the range to target is greater than the first
range band, only the support weapons can reach.
4) As it is apparent on the model, most OUDF troops come with a
one-shot IAVR. Can more than one OUDF trooper fire his IAVR in support?
If an entire squad is equipped with IAVR's, can the whole squad fire them all
at once?
5) The rules seem to imply that when a squad leader is KIA, that the
squad takes an additional supression counter, on top of one for being hit in
the first place. Is this true?
6) For confidence tests...the TL's marked with a '+' seem unlikely
(except for Artillery/Aerospace attack) to occur with any other event.
eg; 'Unit is force to ABANDON WOUNDED'. I can't imagine a situation
where this would apply as a cumulative. It makes more sense if it was it's own
event that causes the test.
7) Since the rules say "taken as soon as required", and "For each
currently UNTREATED CASUALTY in unit"...when exactly do you add the
cumulative? eg: A low mission motivation squad of 6 men looses their leader to
gunfire. So far...you have a TL of 3 to test against.....but
now as a cumulative you have the untreated casualty of the leader, +1
TL? This doesn't make sense?
Hell....am I making any sense?
Thanks for your help. I'm sure more questions will come along soon.
> In message <3AE4D906.5A42632@pacbell.net>, thwaak writes:
You betcha.
> 2) Do they all fire under one action?
It depends. They can all fire in support of small arms. Without small arms,
they may only be fired by themselves.
> Reason I ask: A player made a detached element of his SAW and AGL
According to the rules, they may not be fired in unison (without additional
small arms fire).
> 3) If a squad fires it's weapons, but only the two support weapons
I don't think we have any official answer on this one. I would say, if your
SAWs and IAVRs are supporting small arms fire, and the small arms fire is out
of range, they have no effect. They were ordered to support an ineffective
action.
> 4) As it is apparent on the model, most OUDF troops come with a
Yes.
> If an entire squad is equipped with IAVR's, can the whole squad fire
No; somebody has to be firing small arms in order to combine your fire like
this.
> 5) The rules seem to imply that when a squad leader is KIA, that
Yes.
> 6) For confidence tests...the TL's marked with a '+' seem unlikely
Well, this is a matter of opinion rather than a question. As for Abandoning
Wounded specifically, no, I don't see it used too often.
> 7) Since the rules say "taken as soon as required", and "For each
I don't have my chart at hand, so my numbers are incorrect. I'll pretend the
chart reads as follows:
1st suppression: 3 Any casualties: 2
SL a casualtiy: +3
Each additional untreated casualty: +1
Let's say a squad gets fired upon for the first time. The fire is effective,
and they get a suppression. They have to take a test at TL
3-- no modifiers, since they have no untreated casualties. Now, the
attacker finishes the fire, and your leader is as casualty. You *NOW*
take a test at TL 2 + 3 = 5. This is different than what Brian Bell
stated in his answer, but I believe it to be correct. You're taking the test
because you have already received casualties, and those casualties count
toward your current confidence test.
> Hell....am I making any sense?
Yes, these are good questions.
> On Mon, 23 April 2001, thwaak wrote:
> 1) Can you make support weapon teams, with two or more support
Yes. You can put two or more support weapons in a squad, or you can put them
in squads by themselves.
> 2) Do they all fire under one action?
One action is used to fire any number of figures in a squad. One figure may
fire once per activation. So, you can use one action to fire some or all of
the figures in the squad at one target; you can use one action to fire some
figures at one target, and the second action to fire the rest at the same
target; you can use one action to fire some figures at one target, and the
second action to fire some figures at another target.
> Reason I ask: A player made a detached element of his SAW and AGL
I'm going to assume your player has a squad with a squad leader, some
troopers, an AGL, and a SAW. He detaches the SAW and the AGL. He activates the
squad, and does a transfer action to the detachment. The SAW and the AGL now
have two actions.
He can fire them in unison. That gives them a Quality Die, the Firepower die
of the SAW and the FP die of the AGL. This uses up one action. They have one
more action, but can not fire for the rest of this activation.
Or, he can use one action to fire the SAW (using Quality Die and SAW FP Die)
and use the other action to fire the AGL (using the Quality Die and the AGL FP
die). This can be at the same or different targets.
> 3) If a squad fires it's weapons, but only the two support weapons
Only the FP of the support weapons are used, along with the Quality Die. Since
the guys with the shotguns haven't fired, they could fire at another target
within close range.
> 4) As it is apparent on the model, most OUDF troops come with a
That's a very good question. I would have to say that, yes, they could all
fire at once and get the FP die for the IAVR. Every trooper firing the IAVR
would not be able to use their normal weapon, though.
This is something you have to concern yourself in SG2 games. It's easy
to get "munchkin-y" with things like this. In reality, no squad would
fire all their IAVRs at one enemy squad. They wouldn't waste them when there
was a possibility of vehicles coming upon them later that day. You may want to
make a scenario specific rule indicating controlling this.
> 5) The rules seem to imply that when a squad leader is KIA, that
Yes!!! I discovered this while building the Stargrunt II Index. The squad
takes a suppression counter when it is hit sufficiently to take casualties. If
the squad leader is a casualty, the squad takes a second suppression counter
(this is on page... checks index... page 10). Note, the leader doesn't have to
be dead. He just has to be a "casualty".
> 6) For confidence tests...the TL's marked with a '+' seem unlikely
No, it's cumulative to every other Confidence Test. If the squad has to make a
Confidence Test due to taking fire, and they abandoned wounded soldiers
earlier in the scenario, they take that modifier to the TL. Abandoning
soldiers doesn't cause a test. But, taking fire and realizing that if they are
wounded THEY may be left behind has a sort of "adverse" effect on them. *S*
It is a modifier, not a test in its own right.
> 7) Since the rules say "taken as soon as required", and "For each
Ah, this is unclear (and it should be in the FAQ, Andy!). It was mentioned on
the list ages ago.
The way everyone interprets this is that the TL for untreated casualties does
not apply to figures that just BECAME casualties. You apply it for figures
that were casualties from previous fire, not the current fire. The figures
that just became casualties aren't "untreated", they are "newly wounded".
The rules are unclear on this, but the consensus is that you only apply the
"untreated" modifier for figures wounded from previous fire.
> Hell....am I making any sense?
Plenty!
> Thanks for your help. I'm sure more questions will come along soon.
We'll all be here...
In message <20010424211020.6283.cpmta@c001.zsm.cp.net>, agoodall@canada.com
wri tes:
> > 7) Since the rules say "taken as soon as required", and "For each
Hmmm, I missed out on this discussion. Why *wouldn't* you take these