Modelling Scales

Someone help me out here...

If a model is 1/72, then presumably the appropriate figure size is 25mm.

(unless my maths is significantly lacking)

However generally speaking manufacturers link 1/72 with 20mm.

What is the deal with that? *grin*

Really what I want to know is how compatible are 1/72 vehicles with 25mm

(say Stargrunt) figures

Thanks

Donogh said:

> If a model is 1/72, then presumably the appropriate figure size is

If you're measuring to the top of the head for a 6ft man, yes.

> However generally speaking manufacturers link 1/72 with 20mm.

That's probably something like "to the eye for a man who's 5ft9""

> Really what I want to know is how compatible are 1/72 vehicles with

Well, if you'd get 15mm SG and use 1/100 vehicles, you'd be
okay--although 15mm is actually 1/118 IIRC

> Someone help me out here...

We've talked endlessly about this many times before... there's probably lots
in the list archives about it. FWIW, my rules of thumb are:
15mm figs with 1/87 or 1/100 vehicles.
20mm figs with 1/72 or 1/76 vehicles.
"True" 25mm figs (eg: our stuff) with 1/60 vehicles
"Big" (GW) 25/28mm figures with 1/48 vehicles.
However, it's all SF, so you can be flexible - use whatever looks good!
> Really what I want to know is how compatible are 1/72 vehicles with

They'll look a bit small.

The Miniatures Page has an EXCELENT page on scales:
http://theminiaturespage.com/ref/scales.html

Don't be like me the last time and forget to bookmark it!

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Thanks to everyone

Some additional searching found me this site:
http://home.att.net/~zoobner/gallery/25mmvs48.htm

When I used 1/72nd (and even 1/87th Roco) stuff with Starguard games
('true' 25mm) infantry (Many brands including Reviresco) I always justified it
by reducing the crew to 1 or 2 and letting the "AI" do al of
 the non-combat stuff (drive from X to Y via Z) - less crew (and
reclined or prone) makes for a smaller silhouette.

My Nektons had a few Roco JS II/III for amphibious (but what else?!)
assaults.

Just a thought.

Gracias,
Glenn/Triphibious
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:02:03 +0000 "Donogh McCarthy"
> <donoghmc@hotmail.com> writes:

Donogh
              25mm is 1/48th scale (very hard to find, sad to say)
Don

> Someone help me out here...

> At 9:28 AM -0400 7/25/01, Glenn M Wilson wrote:

I still question how an AI is going to get out of the tank and help you fix
that thrown track or torn skirt.

> On 25-Jul-01 at 10:33, Ryan Gill (rmgill@mindspring.com) wrote:

Wouldn't a smaller tank need less crew for these issues? Also, if you are
operating multiple tanks together or in concert with infantry (gasp) could
they not help?

In a message dated 7/25/01 6:46:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
> donoghmc@hotmail.com writes:

> If a model is 1/72, then presumably the appropriate figure size is

72nd is close enough. The difference is where you measure the figures
from -
not the relevant size. The best rule of thumb is "Does it look right?" I use
anything from 1/87th to 1/68th (Collector's Matchbox) if it looks right.

In a message dated 7/25/01 7:24:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
> dmaddox1@hot.rr.com writes:

> Donogh

25 mm scale in figures is 25mm (there are 25.4mm in an inch) or 1 inch equals
siz feet. The "true 25mm" figure (since it is measured from the sole of the
footgear to the eyes) is usually 28 - 30 mm tall. One-forty-eighth is
really too big for either. UNLESS the model "looks right"

In a message dated 7/25/01 9:55:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
> books@mail.state.fl.us writes:

> Wouldn't a smaller tank need less crew for these issues? Also,

THe accompanying infantry COULD help, but they rarely do more than stand

around and mock the armor crew while THEY don't have to work.

In my artillery (SP, M109) days we used to laugh at the
infantry/mp/general
foot sloggers who had to eat our dust as we rolled to our next gig. Then, in a
fit of karmic payback, the driver would do something stupid and you'd throw a
track.... We were attached to a Mech. Infantry brigade though
-- so
there weren't too many walkers.

Damond

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> If a model is 1/72, then presumably the appropriate figure size is

This has been discussed several times on this list and on Usenet, but I have
noticed that some aspects haven't been cleared up.

If you take 185cm (roughly 6') and divide it by 72, you do get
approximately 25mm. So, 25mm SHOULD be 1/72. Except...

First, how do you measure the figure? From the soles of the feet to the top of
the head? From the base of a boot to the top of the head? From the soles of
the feet to the eyes? This is part of the question.

I seem to remember seeing the "feet to eyes" idea years and years ago, but
others have said it's a more recent phenomenon used to explain "oversized"
25mm figures. I haven't found anything definitive either way.

Second, how tall is the figure you are modelling? If you have Celts at 25mm
tall, they should not be modelling someone 6' tall, but probably closer to 5'
6". Modern average height for a male is 5' 10", even.

The Miniatures Page has a good scale listing. It's found at:
http://theminiaturespage.com/ref/scales.html

25mm is closer to about 1/64 scale. Supposedly.

> Really what I want to know is how compatible are 1/72 vehicles with

1/72 are a bit small. There's also the question of whether you are
talking about "1/72" scale vehicles or "HO model railroad" scale
vehicles. When I was a kid, we sort of freely associated HO with the
1/72 scale Airfix figures (which, if I remember, had "HO" written on
them). HO scale is closer to 1/87 scale.

I use Roco HO vehicles with the 15mm SG2 figures and they look good.

If you use oversized 25mm, then you can kitbash 1/48 scale or 1/35 scale
vehicles for use with them. The manufacturer and vehicle you choose will
dictate how close they look.

For true 25mm, you're going to have to play around. 25mm is closer to
1/64 scale, but if you look at what toy stores call 1/64 scale vehicles,
you'll find them a bit small. I have used Lledo diecast vehicles with Call of
Cthulhu 25mm figures, and they are a good match. Lledo I think
is true 1/64. I also have used Solido 1/43 scale diecast vehicles. Most
of these are a bit oversized, but not so that you'd really have a problem if
it were a tank or something.

That's another thing... Metal figures are cast a bit more bulky than plastics.
Plastics are more "realistic" but on a table top, you often find bulky metal
figures more aesthetic. It has a lot to do with perspective, lighting, and
perception. Anyway, a vehicle in an accurate scale for SG2 might have hatches
that are too small for science fiction models. Most vehicles are modern or
WW2, with small hatches. They aren't designed for figures with armour like
those produced by Jon at GZG. I find the hatch size to be more of mental
"scale association" than the physical size of the vehicle. If the hatch looks
okay, go for it.

THe accompanying infantry COULD help, but they rarely do more than stand

around and mock the armor crew while THEY don't have to work.

LOL yep that's the grunts I know and love.............but to be fair we mock
them walking all
over.....)

On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:32:47 -0400 Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
writes:
> At 9:28 AM -0400 7/25/01, Glenn M Wilson wrote:

It doesn't! 8^(

Nektons are noted for closing quickly and sudden assaults, their neural
destroying sonic weapons, their lack of prisoner taking (unles HQ wants some
intelligence,) and their quick withdrawals when the assault gets stopped cold
by the opposition. Having been introduced to FTL empires as slaves to the
Ralnai has given them a somewhat Xenophobic view on 'aliens' and their
amphibious (froggy) minds are a bit callous about
casualties without being 'berserker' or 'suicidal' oriented - extremely
opportunistic as it were.

Somewhat like the Russians - let the recovery crews take it to depot if
we win and if we withdraw we use a thermal grenade to light it up...

Most of their stuff is more like 'amphibious flying subs'  then AFV's -
pop-up attacks somewhat like VTOL's in Dirtside 2.

Only reason I used them (JS tanks) was they were what I couldn't sell off (so
far) after gettting a great deal on six pizza boxes of
figures/vehicles, a underbed storage box of vehicles/terrrain bits and
the rules (Tractics) I wanted for a friend - all for  $25.  Most of it
has been sold off (Last bit - except for terrain and a few amphibious
vehicles -  I am waiting for a MO to arrive) to pay for my war game
'eras of interest' figures.

Gracias,