Mil vs. Civ shipping

6 posts ยท Sep 23 2000 to Sep 25 2000

From: Barclay, Tom <tomb@b...>

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:22:36 -0400

Subject: Mil vs. Civ shipping

To comment on Brian's thoughts:

It seems to me that a reasonable stance to consider what is or is not
appropriate shipborne armament might be galactography. By that, I mean where
the ship operates and is licensed.

For example, I have little doubt that if my free trader was operating in the
AE, being the politically colourful place that it is, that I could well see
slapping on some
B-2s for defence. Maybe some military sensor systems too.

Human space can loosely be broken down into a few geographic zones.

Core Worlds Inner Colonies Outer Colonies Outposts, Small Colonies, Research
Stations

Core Worlds and Inner Colonies: Home of a powerful UN presence and powerful
block naval presences. Probably not home to any pirates or privateers. This
environment is just too well policed (as it must be since it is the cradle of
human population and civilization) by too many people. UN Policy beyond these
precincts may well be more honoured in the breech than in the observance, but
in these areas you can certainly assume the UN has some high standards and
that most of the major power blocks also have little interest in armed ships
operating privately. Probably a ferryboat or liner from Earth to Alpha
Centauri probably doesn't mount any weapons, or at most a PDS.

Outer Colonies: Out here we have varying levels of UN and National bloc
presence. In the older more inward Outer Colonies, with higher populations,
many of them house military bases of their
particular national block and will get semi-frequent UN patrol
visits. In these systems, armed ships would be uncommon, moreso for those not
operating with letters of marque (privateers). Most ships in this area would
not likely carry more than a
B-1. And even then mostly if they are neutral or allied with
their local bloc government. Now, the further out you go, the less true this
becomes. In the outer Outer Colonies,
you may well find ships with multiple B-1s for defence against
privateers or pirates. Or even other corporations!

Outposts, Far Colonies: Out here, its a free for all. Everyone operating in
these areas understands the risks out here. Fewer large lines will operate out
here due to 1) the economics of traffic and freight and 2) the risks (pirates,
privateers, renegade governments, other corporations) and the costs (insurance
premiums, security costs). So more small merchant groups and individual "free
traders" operate in these territories in smaller ships. Of course, as the
risks are high, so are the armaments. Even small merchants
may pack a B-1 and as good of a sensor suite as they can afford
and some mid sized merchant ships may mount B-2s and perhaps
even a level-1 screen. It just plain isn't safe for unarmed
ships out here for long. Sometimes, if the piracy is bad enough in this region
or the Outer Colonies outer segments to annoy a corporation or power bloc, a Q
ship may be deployed for a time. Q ships can often be nasty surprises with
upfitted drive segments,
submunitions packs, hidden SMRs, and even beams as large as B-3,
though a Q ship packing such a cannon would undoubtedly have it installed
single arc down the spine or broadside in a huge mount. Pirates and Privateers
in these regions will have ships that basically run the gamut from armed
merchantmen right up to ships that rival frigates, destroyers, or even at the
far extremum maybe a light cruiser in size and armament, though often times
their logistics aren't as good (sometimes they are if they are operating with
a letter of marque) and so their systems performance or availability may be
sub standard.

This perspective perhaps reflects the nature of man's deployment
in the GZGverse - dense towards the centre of the human empire,
with more focus in military and legal power, with that focus dropping off the
further towards the remote fringes one heads.

Just another 0.02 on the shape of the world, Justifier style.

Thomas.

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:22:19 -0400

Subject: Re: Mil vs. Civ shipping

Mr.Barclay opined:
> For example, I have little doubt that if my free trader

You probably wouldn't need them, as there are very seldom pirates in the AE
systems. Privateers, "security consultants", mercenaries who are between jobs,
and the occasional Islamic Fed
raider--but no pirates.

From: Brian Bell <bkb@b...>

Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:04:26 -0400

Subject: RE: Mil vs. Civ shipping

A pirate is someone who attacks YOUR shipping. A privateer, security
consultant, etc. are those who
attacks someone ELSES ships.   ;-)

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Brian Bell bkb@beol.net
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> -----Original Message-----

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:42:58 +0100

Subject: Re: Mil vs. Civ shipping

Laserlight pontificated:
> Mr. Barclay opined:

I think we need a lawyer-tight definition of  'Pirate'  and an
explanation of the difference between a pirate and the other gentlemen (and
ladies) mentioned above before we are willing to accept the above statement.

Greetings Karl Heinz

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:25:17 -0400

Subject: Re: Mil vs. Civ shipping

> Laserlight pontificated:

That might be a little tricky. Traditionally, the difference between a
privateer and a pirate is that the privateer has a letter of marque, ie is
operating with government permission. In the Alarishi Empire, however, anyone
who can send in a completed application and pay the fee can become a
government--if you can afford to own a ship, you can probably afford to
be a governemnt. In fact, Azrael Jones resigned from the AE fleet (the Prince
Henry Corporate fleet, it was at the time) and set up shop as a military
consultant/provider of mercenary warships, and now offers top-notch
training simulations to NSL, NI, OU, IAS and NAC officers.

From: Doug Evans <devans@n...>

Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:52:54 -0500

Subject: Re: Mil vs. Civ shipping

> I think we need a lawyer-tight definition of 'Pirate' and an

Give it up, Karl. I just ignore it. ;->=

The_Beast

-Douglas J. Evans, curmudgeon

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