Micromachines Ships

I have both new B5 Micro machine packs (2 of each) I bought them at
Wal-Mart and Eckerd Drugs. The Narn Th'Nor class heavy Cruiser is
really, really great! We use the Micro Machine Sulaco from Aliens as the
Hyperion for the EA.

Someone mentioned a model of Deep Space 9 that is 40cm across. This would look
fantastic with the normal sized miniatures.

I recently purchased a Micromachine set that includes the floating city of
Bayspin (spelling?) from Star Wars. The floating city fits perfectly on top of
the Micromachine Deep Space 9. The two of them make a very interesting looking
space station that is a bit larger. Hmmm, I wonder what two floating cities,
one on each side of DS9, would look like?

How many people have been able to find the new Bablyon 5 Micromachines.
I've been looking at Target, Walmart, K-B Toys, and Toys-R-Us and can't
find them here in the south San Francisco Bay area :-(  I'd love to get
a copy of the newer Narn ships.

I have found some new Star Wars Micromachines from a series called Shadows of
the Empire. These have two ships packaged with three people. I'm using them to
add some new misc ships to my fleets.

Enjoy,

> How many people have been able to find the new Bablyon 5

I was able to find two packages of Micromachines with the Narn
battlecruiser at an Albany, NY Wal-Mart.  None of the Narn cruisers
were available.

Galoob sent me e-mail in early August, but it doesn't seem very
attractive since they state "prices are significantly higher."

> From owner-ftgzg-l@bolton.ac.uk Fri Aug 9 07:25 EDT 1996
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> STAR WARS ACTION FLEET BATTLE PACKS NOW ON THE GALOOB TOYS WEB SITE

> I recently purchased a Micromachine set that includes the floating

a
> copy of the newer Narn ships.

I've picked up a number of Star Trek and Star Wars and a couple of Bablyon 5
Micromachines from Toys R Us, KayBee, and a store near us going out of
business, all on sale. I don't really like Star Trek and have never seen B5,
but they looked like neat ships. I've got Renegade Legions ships which will
make pretty good smaller ships, though only for one side, since they look
mostly similar. But I'm not sure what to do for ships in between sizes. Do you
treat the Micromachines ships for being the scale they're supposed to be, or
for the size the model is? I'd rather do the latter, but I've got way too many
capital ships if that's the case. If I could get something bigger and use
these for the cruiser size, that would be OK, or just finding something
between the little size and the MM size. I've made a couple by cutting
pieces off--if you cut the guys off the Star Wars jet bikes you
get a neat looking ship, and I cut the big tank off the bottom of one Star
Trek ship. But I still have too many about the same size.

I probably should have played the game before I started buying
the ships.  :-)

> Tom Granvold wrote:

Not much luck around here either. I seem to find a ton of basic SW and ST sets
and that's about it.

> I have found some new Star Wars Micromachines from a series called

How do you like them? I hope to find these minis as well.

> andy wrote:

Nah, you can never have too many minis.:)

> Tom Granvold wrote:

Some of them are obviously fighter size ships and look far too large. Some of
the others work well though. They don't fit into a particular style, so I'll
use them for "special" ships, expermential, freighters, or one of a kind
ships. In other words I'm using them to add a bit of varity to my fleets.

Enjoy,

> On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Mike Miserendino wrote:

When you run out of figures to paint, you die.

> At 04:03 PM 8/29/96 -0400, you wrote:

So, besides me, how many other people on this list are now assured of
immortality? A friend of mine once one a gift certificate at a convention.
After it was handed to him, he walked away shaking his head and wondering
aloud "Let's see.... Figures I won't paint, or games I won't play?"

> At 01:33 PM 8/29/96 EDT, you wrote:

> Do you treat the Micromachines ships for being the scale they're

I bought Star Trek Micromachines because it was the only thing I could find at
a relatively cheap cost that I didn't have to paint.:)

We use the relative sizes of the ships and forget about what they "really are"
in ST terms. The Galaxy class Enterprise (Next Generation) becomes a light
cruiser due to its sleek lines. The Enterprise C becaomes a heavy cruiser.
I've used runabouts for escorts. The Excelsior (the flying bathtub from Star
Trek 3) is a battleship with the Stargazer acting as either a
battledreadnought or a carrier. The Grissom makes a good dreadnought or
carrier as well.

For the aliens, we lump the Romulans and Klingons into one force. This allows
the Romulan scout to be used as a destroyer, the Romulan warbirds as
battleships, and the Klingon ships as cruisers. I've also used Runabouts as
"Klingon" escorts or freighters. If you turn the Ferengi ship around so it
faces backwards, or do the same with the Cardassian ship, the two ships look
as though they could belong to the same fleet (they have one rounded end and
one pointy end).

I find that the Star Trek figures are better packaged for FT than the Star
Wars figures. There are few ST figures that I can't use (anyone want to buy a
bunch of shuttlecraft?). However, the Star Wars figures are pretty good if you
play Silent Death as well as Full Thrust, as there is currently a set
for C$10 that has an X-Wing, a TIE fighter, a B-Wing, a Star Destroyer
and the Millenium Falcon. Not much per box for one game, but a good by for two
sets of figures.

Oh, one more thing. Anyone notice that Micromachines has Rebel infantry (in
the Endor strike team uniforms)? With those figures and the stormtroopers, you
could do Star Wars in Stargrunt 2.

> At 10:48 PM 8/29/96 -0400, you wrote:

And here I thought I was the only one...:)

Let's see, what to paint next? Figures for Warzone? Figures for Stargrunt? Old
WH40K figures for Stargrunt? Old 15mm Traveller figures (100 of those alone!)
for Stargrunt? A tonne of Cthulhu figures for my own Cthulhufellas game? 25mm
Samurai? A whole bunch of old Star Frontiers ships for FT? Romans
and Caledonians for Armati? Parthians, Germans, etc. for Armati/DBA? And
those are only on my "A" list!

> On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, John Crimmins wrote:

> At 04:03 PM 8/29/96 -0400, you wrote:

I am... since I buy things at the same rate I paint them, but have a
five-year model buffer <g>

> On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Andy Skinner wrote:

> I've got Renegade Legions ships which will make pretty good

I use converted Silent Death models as small ships (escorts and lighter
cruisers), so most MicroMachines become capital ships (or at least heavy

cruisers). Together they make up a continous size range from about 1 cm
long escorts/corvettes to 12-15 cm large capitals.

> I probably should have played the game before I started buying
Don't be stupid. I started buying starship models long before I found FT
:):)

> On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Paul A Neher wrote:

> We play DBM

'The rules mean what they mean and say what they say.' Or was it the other way
round?

Yes, I'm a DB* player too... which means some few extra pounds of (as yet
unpainted) metal <g>

> Do you treat the Micromachines ships for being the scale they're

I always use them for being the scale they're supposed to be. The range of
Star Trek models is very good for 'canon' modern ships and cannot be beaten by
any other manufacturer past or present.

Doing it the size the model is seems weird to me as if we are being really
picky then the models should be little dots if we take the distance between
ships as the true scale or even an abstraction.

I image the ship model is an icon for the actual craft it represents. If you
want to get all scaly then you can do it for the popular backgrounds but its
not worth the effort I'd rather play the game, but if scale modeling matters
to
you...

I think it was Task Force Games who brought out / or annouced they were
bringing out a range of ships which were about 1 inch in size so that they
gave a better scale feeling. Did anyone ever see these. I have often toyed
with the idea of scratch building such a fleet of microtures for star trek but
the effort

involved was too great when I had lots of colour counters from SFB already.

> Paul A Neher wrote:

> We play DBM

Is this the same as DBA (De Bellus Antiquas or something?) by the Wargames
Research Group? And similar to Hordes Of The Things (HOTT) from the same

publisher. If it is then I agree on the rules confusion bit, else whats DBM?

> On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 timj@uk.gdscorp.com wrote:

> Paul A Neher wrote:

DBM is De Bellis Multitudinis (sp?), using more detailed rules (mainly
troop quality in addition to troop type - for example English longbowmen

are better than french peasant archers) and more troop elements. It was
developed from DBA. Having more detailed rules means being more confused

- this is Phil Barker's work, after all <vbg>

> I image the ship model is an icon for the actual craft it represents.
If you
> want to get all scaly then you can do it for the popular backgrounds
I guess the point for me is that I'm not familiar enough with Star Trek to
know how big things are supposed to be. So I can play the game better (more
easily) if the model's size represents the ship's size, so I can get an idea
from looking at the thing whether it is a frigate or battleship.

The whole point of using Micromachines for me is to lessen
the amount of work for me--I don't have to paint 'em.  They
are also cheap when on sale (Toys R Us, KayBee). So the scale modeling is
important only in that I want the model to give me an idea of what the ship is
supposed to be. It isn't that I want to get models that show the right size of
the Star Trek ship; it is that I want the models I use to give a general idea
of what size ship it is. I'm sure some of the things I'll use for medium size
ships were intended to represent small ones. The most extreme that I've got is
the jet bikes with the guys cut off. I really think they make neat space
ships.

> On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 timj@uk.gdscorp.com wrote:

> > Do you treat the Micromachines ships for being the scale they're

Yes, but this cannot be done unless you stay in a specific background where
everyone knows how big a ship 'should' be. Since I happily mix ships from
various manufacturers, most of which have no 'background' (or are
supposed to be single-seat fighters, but I use them as escort class
ships
anyway, or - as in the case of most ST ships, since I'm no trekkie - I
know nothing about it, but like the model), I have to use something to
indicate just how nasty a ship is. Model size is very handy for that -
you can easily imagine that an 1 cm model is less dangerous than a 6" one, for
example.

If I played a pure SW scenario, then TIE MicroMachines would work as
fighter groups - but if I use my (MicroMachine) SW Blockade Runners
together with some (Silent Death) Night Hawks against my (scratch-built)
Shiva-class battleship... the Shiva is supposed to be a bit over 2 km
long; the Night Hawks mass 400 tons each, and I'm not going to buy SW source
books to find out how large the Corellian ships are in 'reality', but it sure
looks tiny in the opening sequence of 'A New Hope'. Looking at the models, the
Night Hawks are about 3.5 cm long; I call them DDs. The Blockade Runner is
about 8 cm long; I use it as a BC or BB. The Shiva is 15 cm long; I use it as
a size 100 SD (...or possibly as a Supership,

but I built it long before I bought MT).

Oh well. YMMV, of course.

On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:48:48 -0400 (EDT) John Crimmins
> <johncrim@voicenet.com> writes:

You can count me in! I have mini's all over the place... anything from 2mm
American Civil War, to 1:72 scale Star Awrs fighters for stage sized Star
Warriors!

On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:38:27 -0400 Allan Goodall <agoodall@sympatico.ca>
writes:
> At 10:48 PM 8/29/96 -0400, you wrote:

> Romans and Caledonians for Armati? Parthians, Germans, etc. for

You play armati? We looked at the system and found it to be smoothly free
flowing, but restrictive as to what the player can do. We play DBM mostly, but
its flaw is rules confusion (ie. What did they mean here?). I play Alexandrian
Macedonians, a pard plays War of the Roses English,
and another 2nd Crusades English. Needless to say,   they make for some
AWESOME non-historical battles.  Have you tried the A-Z Ancients rules
yet?

> Do you treat the Micromachines ships for being the scale they're

I do Star Wars (can you tell) and I use the Micromachines (as well as many
conversions) for what the SHIP MODEL is... most everyone is familiar with the
ships, so that scalar problem isn't usually an issue.

> Paul wrote:

Cruiser? I thought it was only a corvette? Or maybe that's just the production
name?

On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:46:35 +0200 (MET DST) Oerjan Ohlson
> <f92-ooh@nada.kth.se> writes:

> 'The rules mean what they mean and say what they say.' Or was it the
We get confused only in the area of unit moves. What is a legit unit move,
what defines a legit march move... there are places where the diagrams and the
text either don't coincide, or is just plain confusing.

> On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:38:28 BST timj@uk.gdscorp.com writes:

> Is this the same as DBA (De Bellus Antiquas or something?) by the
from the
> same publisher. If it is then I agree on the rules confusion bit, else

De Bellus Magnitudinous.... it's essentially DBA with LOTZ of miniatures.
Instead of haveing the typical 12 stands as per DBA, DBM uses points, and
armies (mine is like 52 stands right now) of enormus
sizes ... or is that multitudinous sizes?   :P

On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:19:20 +0200 (MET DST) Oerjan Ohlson
> <f92-ooh@nada.kth.se> writes:
, and I'm not going to buy SW
> source books to find out how large the Corellian ships are in

FYI, the correllian cruiser (a.k.a. rebel blockade runner) is supposed to be
150 meters long

On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Mike Miserendino
> <phddms1@cris.com> writes:

> Cruiser? I thought it was only a corvette? Or maybe that's just the

duh! Correct as always Mike!:P

> At 08:30 AM 8/30/96 PST, Paul wrote:

Well, actually I haven't played Armati. I HAVE played DBA. I'm painting up
some extra figures to add to my DBA Romans and Caledonians so that I can play
Armati in Intro scale. You can paint up a couple of armies for DBA, then build
up to Armati Intro, then Optimum, then Epic, and then DBM.

> We looked at the system and found it to be smoothly free

I intend to (someday) compare DB* with Armati. I like DBA but there are some
things in Armati which I might prefer. Until I've got enough figures painted I
won't know.

> Have you tried the A-Z Ancients rules yet?

No, I haven't. Who publishes it? Who writes it? What's it like?

We should probably take this to e-mail.

With this discussion of whether to use micromachines based on model

size or official background material, I realized that I had a psychological
block against using model size. I just couldn't look at a

model and not think of its power in its respective TV show/movie.  But I

really want to use model size as it's the only way to run a mixed fleet where
a Minbari Cruiser and Klingon Bird of Prey can face off with a Star Destroyer
in a consistent fashion. So I figured I needed to quantify the different sizes
of my micromachines. Since ship design is based on mass

I put each one on a scientific balance. I then picked a standard ship
normalized all the masses and then converted to FT masses (more on this
later). This is not meant to be a definitive list but something for reference
and enjoyment. I think a better measure of ship size would be

volume (to account for varying plastic densities, and even usable for metal
minis) but I don't have access to the equipment to do this. Maybe

some enterprising chem student could measure the water displaced by each model
and give us a report.

I weighed every model I had that didn't have an obvious cockpit. I then

chose the Enterprise C as the basis. I divided every mass by its mass (6.5g)
to get a normalized mass. I decided it would be a heavy cruiser (FT mass 32)
and multiplied all my normalized masses by 32 to get every ship's FT mass. I
tried several different bases and the Ent C seemed to

give the most even distribution of Cruisers vs Capitals (although very few
escorts). Here is a list with ship, real mass in grams, FT mass, ship class
(somewhat arbitrary).

Sulaco 4.5/22/lt cruiser
Star Destroyer 10.3/50/Battleship
Rebel Blockade Runner 10.2/50/Battleship
Super Star Destroyer 5.4/26/Escort Cruiser
Vorlon Cruiser 6.0/30/ Hvy Cruiser
Vorlon Transport 8.1/40/Battle Cruiser
Centauri Passenger Ship 10.2/50/Battleship
Centauri Transport 6.6/32/Hvy Cruiser
Minbari Flyer 5.1/25/Escort Cruiser
Minbari Cruiser 6.0/30/Hvy Cruiser
Babylon 5 4.3/21/lt cruiser
Green Ship 4.6/23/lt cruiser
Raider ship 2.0/10/Frigate
Narn Heavy Cruiser 12.2/60/Battledreadnought
Narn Transport 7.2/35/Hvy Cruiser(I'll still use it as a freighter)
Crew Shuttle 9.4/46/Battleship(I like it as an survey cruiser better)
EA Shuttle 5.4/26/Escort Cruiser
Vor'cha 3.9/19/lt cruiser
Bird of Prey 4.9/24/escort cruiser
Romulan Scout 6.3/31/Hvy cruiser
Warbird 7.8/38/Battle cruiser
Cardassian Galor 5.7/28/Escort cruiser
Ferengi Marauder 4.5/22/lt cruiser
Borg Cube 17.3/85/Superdreadnought
Klaestron 5.4/27/Escort Cruiser
Miradorn 3.5/17/Destroyer
Jem'Hadar 5.9/29/Esc-Hvy Cruiser
Numiri 11.0/54/Battleship
Kazon Fighters ~8.2/40/Battle Cruiser
Kazon Mother 15.1/74/Light Carrier
Enterprise B 6.7/33/Hvy Cruiser
Ent C 6.5/32/Hvy Cruiser
Ent D 6.1/30/Hvy Cruiser
Future Ent D 8.0/39/Battlecruiser
Excelsior 6.0/29/Hvy Cruiser
Grissom 6.3/31/Hvy Cruiser
Reliant/Saratoga ~6.7/32/Hvy Cruiser
Stargazer 7.3/36/Hvy-Battle cruiser
Farragut 10.6/52/Battleship
Defiant 11.5/57/Battledreadnought
Voyager 8.2/40/battlecruiser
Runabout 4.6/22/lt cruiser

So this gives 1 frigate, 1 destroyer,6 lt cruisers,10 escort cruisers, 8

Hvy cruisers,7 Battle cruisers, 6 Battle ships,3 Battledreadnoughts,1 Lt

Carrier, 1 Superdreadnought (I think I miscounted as I fiddled with some

of the classifications where the masses fell between 2).

Like I said, just take from this list what you want. I didn't write it as a
restriction. It is probably best as a general size comparison. Just because
ships didn't come out as carriers doesn't mean you can't designate them as
such. I will probably make more of my big ship carriers and more of my small
ships escorts but now at least I have some

undiluted view of which ones are small and large (it's still going to take
some time to think of the super star destoyer as one of my smaller ships!)

> Karl Schmidt wrote:

Just slap some molding clay around the mini, making two halves for easy
separation. Recombine the halves, fill with water. Pour the water into a
measuring cup and whola, a simple approximation of the objects volume. I have
used this before to do just what you are looking for. I like the mini's size
to at least somewhat represent the actual ship scale size along with other
ships, as well as help measure for design considerations.

> enterprising chem student could measure the water displaced by each

"Dammit, Schmidt! I'm a ship's captain, not a chemist."

(with apologies to Bones)

Out here.

        -monty

> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:25:27 -0400 (EDT)

Howabout the Archimedes method for calculating displacement:

Provided the minis don't leak faster than you work, why not take a measuring
cup with a known quantity of water, and plunge the mini into it, holding it by
its base, and see how far the water rises?

The previously suggested modelling clay mold filled with water, idea
seems a bit over-engineered to me. Besides how accurate do you _need
to be?

> Karl Schmidt wrote:

> >metal minis) but I don't have access to the equipment to do this.

Why not fill a measuring cup with enough water to cover the mini. place the
mini in the water, since plastic will probably float hold it under water with
a toothpick or two, and measure the change in the level of the water?

Enjoy,

> > Karl Schmidt wrote:

Water displacement was exactly what I was thinking of, when I mentioned
volume. The equipment I lack is a measuring cup with small
gradations.  Some of these models will be around 1 cm^3.   I was hoping
that a chem student with access to a large radius, fine resolve graduated
cylinder could plunk in his micromachines and get quick measurements. I could
do it however; it would just be a more involved process. All I would need is a
cup, a bowl, a balance, and water. Fill the cup to the brim and place it in
the bowl. Place the model (probably using toothpicks as you suggested to hold
it under) in the cup. The water it
displaces will spill into the bowl.  Now weigh the bowl+water and
subtract out the weight of the bowl to get the mass of the water
displaced by the model.  Then knowing the density of water is 1g/cm^3 we

can get the volume of water displaced which is the volume of the model.

(Alternately we can remove the model from the cup, weigh the cup+water
and see how much the mass has decreased to get the mass of the water
displaced.) Then we would refill the cup and repeat. It is not that complex
but it is a lot more time consuming and possibly messy with water spilling on
tables and carpets. It is the difference between spending 15 min. in my lab
after work and spending 45

min. to hour. I'm not interested enough to do it yet bet probably will be some
slow day. I have just gotten some new micromachines to add to the list once I

weigh them though (Mon Cal Rebel Cruiser, Earth Force One, Marie Celeste, Narn
Dreadnought).

> From: kschmidt@lamar.colostate.edu (karl schmidt)
...
> I have just gotten some new micromachines to add to the list

Sigh... Why can I only find Star Wars Light-Up Jabba Vans & Star Drek
stuff...

The discussion of figuring the displacement tonnage of the Micromachines
reminds me of the comment someone made about how their fleet's ships get
painted. Remember the suggestion about
using giant zero-g cranes to lower the ship into the huge jar of
Testor's paint? Why not just always start with a full jar and then just
measure the amount of paint that gets displaced?:> Don't ask me what the
density of the paint is, or how to collect
the overflow in a zero-g environment, that's an engineering problem.
I'm an idea man!

Out here.

        -monty

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From:   "Mike Wikan" <mww@n-space.com>
Sent:	Thursday, August 29, 1996 8:32 AM
To:     FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
Subject:	Re: Micromachines Ships

I have both new B5 Micro machine packs (2 of each) I bought them at
Wal-Mart and Eckerd Drugs. The Narn Th'Nor class heavy Cruiser is
really, really great! We use the Micro Machine Sulaco from Aliens as the
Hyperion for the EA. Mike Wikan
Game Design\Conceptual Art
n-Space, Inc.

Wher did you get the Sulaco? I've been trying to find it and not one
store here in Kansas has it! Wal-Mart's toy dept said they neveer heard
of it. Kay-bey toy stores are all closed up here due to down-sizing.
Let me know where I can order it, please. Thanks

Tim Klaus tklaus@midusa.net

> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 96 20:29:57 -0500

I've had the best luck finding cool stuff at Eckerds! Admittedly, they'll
only have 2-3 packs from which to choose, but that's whre I've gotten a
Sulaco/Drop SHip pack and a couple of others that were a bit uncommon.

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From:   "Mike Wikan" <mww@n-space.com>
Sent:	Tuesday, September 10, 1996 4:03 AM
To:	Timothy Klaus <tklaus>
Subject:	RE: Micromachines Ships

Eckerd is the place!! (believe it or not) Also, if you want to do
mail order, try Starbase K-7 in Orlando, Florida (They are in the
phone listings,so you can call information) They had them in stock last week,
so give 'em a ring... Mike Wikan
Game Design\Conceptual Art
n-Space, Inc.

Sorry no Eckerds in Kansas try to locate one .I'll give Starbase K-7 a
call. Also there is only two Toy's R Us in Kansas. One is in Whicita and the
other is in Lawerance. Thanks alot! tim klaus.

> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 08:47:14 -0500

I've been taking more and more interesting routes home from work, so that I
can hit Eckerds and Walgreens, etc., in search of the
good ones. So far only one Aliens (Sulaco + Drop Ship + crap), and
a couple of what seem to be oddball Star Drek and Star Bores ships. Walgreens
and Target seem to be the only ones with B5 in Austin.

> mail order, try Starbase K-7 in Orlando, Florida (They are in the

Mail ordering and store-to-store searching for packs of toy spaceships.
Ye Gods! To what depths we have plumbed.

I just wish you could order 'em by the piece, and forget the crap that some of
the sets are stuffed with. Frex., I want a Star Wars medical frigate, since it
looks like a serious piece of space junk, but I don't want the two other
pieces of crap that come in the pack. I want Star Trek runabouts, but have
zero use for the Cardassians. Sigh.

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From:	jjm@zycor.lgc.com (johnjmedway)
Sent:	Thursday, September 12, 1996 10:24 AM
To:     FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
Subject:	RE: Micromachines Ships

> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 08:47:14 -0500

I've been taking more and more interesting routes home from work, so that I
can hit Eckerds and Walgreens, etc., in search of the
good ones. So far only one Aliens (Sulaco + Drop Ship + crap), and
a couple of what seem to be oddball Star Drek and Star Bores ships. Walgreens
and Target seem to be the only ones with B5 in Austin.

> mail order, try Starbase K-7 in Orlando, Florida (They are in the

Mail ordering and store-to-store searching for packs of toy spaceships.
Ye Gods! To what depths we have plumbed.

I just wish you could order 'em by the piece, and forget the crap that some of
the sets are stuffed with. Frex., I want a Star Wars medical frigate, since it
looks like a serious piece of space junk, but I don't want the two other
pieces of crap that come in the pack. I want Star Trek runabouts, but have
zero use for the Cardassians. Sigh.

> The town that I live in has the following stores; Wal-Mart, 2 Dillion=

Population of 22,600? That's small; where do you live??

Mk

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From:	"Okay, who put a 'stop payment' on my reality check?"
<KOCHTE@stsci.edu>
Sent:	Sunday, September 15, 1996 10:39 PM
To:     FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
Subject:	Re: Micromachines Ships

> The town that I live in has the following stores; Wal-Mart, 2 Dillion=

Population of 22,600? That's small; where do you live??

Mk
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Daune: "How can you be asleep and getting ready at the same time?"

Indy: "I'm multi-tasking..."

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From:	Timothy Klaus <tklaus>
Sent:	Monday, September 16, 1996 10:20 AM
To:	"Okay; who put a 'stop payment' on my reality check?"
<KOCHTE@stsci.edu>; FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
Subject:	RE: Micromachines Ships

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From:	"Okay, who put a 'stop payment' on my reality check?"
<KOCHTE@stsci.edu>
Sent:	Sunday, September 15, 1996 10:39 PM
To:     FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk
Subject:	Re: Micromachines Ships

> The town that I live in has the following stores; Wal-Mart, 2 Dillion=

Population of 22,600? That's small; where do you live??

Mk