Merc motivations

5 posts ยท Feb 7 2002 to Feb 9 2002

From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:37:11 -0500

Subject: Merc motivations

KH said (although I find it interesting that H&K is a almost palindrome of KH)

There can also be arrangements like mercenaries fighting for Government A but
paid for (secretly?) by government B. Or even more complicated: Soldiers
fighting under command of A, but in the interest of B and paid for
(indirectly) by B. Example: The Gulf War: Us and other forces under their own
command, but financed (to a large degree) by Saudi Arabia.

[Tomb] I've heard rumors to the effect that the German gov't paid for
some "private military corporations" to conduct operations in either Kosovo or
some other former Yugoslav area. But this is unsubstantiated. This would have
fit the bill.

[Tomb] As for St. Jon's comment about different motivation rules for
different mercenaries, I think that heads the way of a GW codex... <shudder>.
But, I do think there are some cultural or social groups that merit a brief
set of notes on modified morale rules.

[Tomb] I'm not sure mercenaries have poorer mission motivation. I've
seen some studies that suggest they are _less_ casualty averse than
first world forces! (At least in dirty little wars where no one really wants
them there...). I think mercenary motivation comes down to (as most troops)
their faith in their ability to do the mission required with minimal
casualties and to get paid. They have a greater tendency to leave if they
don't get paid, but EO is an example of a unit that worked a darn long time
without getting paid what it was owed! If they have faith they can do what
they are about, that is a motivational plus. Also, so is training, equipment,
and good leadership. Of course, these are the same things that give
motivational plusses in national armies! I have more faith in some paid
private military corporations than in some national armies....

[Tomb] I think you will find "mercenary" as a term covers as much ground
as "soldier". There are all types of units (good and bad) and similarly their
are good and bad national armies and subunits within them. Generalizations in
either case are fraught with risk.

[Tomb] Mercenaries work for pay. Coincidentally, so do soldiers.
National soldiers tend to riot when not paid, as do mercenaries. What
differentiates them is the national soldier may also have other
motivations, and mercenaries (except perhaps for the love of action/war)
probably have fewer other motivations. Foreign units such as those that fought
the Fascists in Spain, the Cuban expats, the Flying Tigers,
Sharpe's Rifles, etc. - they all represent forces which can be
considered Mercenary in nature. Heck, The Duke of Welligton could have been
considered a Mercenenary himself. Two prime separators between national armies
and mercenaries exist: Who they work for (or can work for) (national armies
don't often rent out.... though it is not unheard of) and their chain of
command and where they fit under the nation's code of military justice and
other laws of armed conflict. Mercenaries allow you to skirt some of these
issues of chain of authority and of legality (They're foreigners!). They also
tend to stop working for you if you appear to not have the ability to pay them
a tad bit faster than national army soldiers do. (At least in professional
armies, though I
suspect unwilling draftees will riot/desert pretty fast if the money
stops or it looks like the government is losing its grip).

[Tomb] Mercenaries are kind of "grey men of war", but this is part of
what makes them effective and part of what gives them a niche to operate and
to profit.

From: Robert Makowsky <rmakowsky@y...>

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:14:43 -0400

Subject: RE: Merc motivations

Tomb,

I agree that their motivation and professionalism will keep them up for short
engagements. If it starts to turn ugly however no amount of money is going to
sustain them. Yes, like all troops they are fighting for their buddies, but
when the casualties start to climb they are going to start looking towards a
way out.

Magic

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From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 02:07:02 +1100

Subject: RE: Merc motivations

> At 07:14 7/02/02 -0400, you wrote:

But if there is no way? Survival is a great motivator.

Cheers

From: Robert Makowsky <rmakowsky@y...>

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:09:17 -0400

Subject: RE: Merc motivations

Derek,

Very true. I guess it would depend on the situation. I would expect Mercs to
split when they can but when there are no options they will stand as firm as
any troops. Or give up and ask to be sent back to their home, giving their
word they will not take contracts against that group again.

Magic

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From: Derek Fulton <derekfulton@b...>

Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:38:39 +1100

Subject: RE: Merc motivations

> At 04:09 8/02/02 -0400, you wrote:

Also, very true:) But this supposes the enemy will go for this, sometimes life
just craps on you;)

Cheers