Life around an M-class star

11 posts ยท Feb 1 1999 to Feb 2 1999

From: Izenberg, Noam <Noam.Izenberg@j...>

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:14:43 -0500

Subject: Life around an M-class star

With the large number of colony worlds residing around M-class stars
(courtesy Nyrath the Amazing), I wanted to do some thinking about what
life would be like unter a bloated, blood-red sun. We did not evolve
under that spectrum, and my guess is our psychesand bodies are not terribly
well attuned to living in a well lit darkroom.

While there's alot of discussion that could be had about the actual effects, I
immediately want to posit a 'solution' inspired by the Russian space mirror
experiment (Zarya?) going on soon. A series of satellites (or single large
ones) in orbit over population centers on an
M-sun colony world would collect solar energy on huge filimentary
arrays. the energy would converted through any number of processes (from
as low-tech as incandescence to somehing more PSBish) to a 'whiter'
light to fill in the rest of the human-visible spectrum. The modulated
light would then be re-emitted down to the surface, illuminating areas
of a couple-10 km across. The additional light would not be overly
bright, but would add enough human-nornal light to make things easier
for the general population.

They would be called something like Solar Converter Array Satellites or
Radiant Frequency Modulation Satellites :-).

Manufacture of these would be an essential and lucrative business in the
colonization era. I'm thinking of making it one of New Israel's major exports.

From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>

Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:59:09 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

> Iceberg writes:

> While there's alot of discussion that could be had about the actual

Also known as 'Target #1', 'Target #2', 'Target #3', etc, for any invading
forces intent on crippling/taking over said colony.  :-)

From: Thomas Barclay <Thomas.Barclay@s...>

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:30:46 -0500

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

It'll spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> >They would be called something like Solar Converter Array Satellites

Or for NI raiders who are interested in encouraging more converter sales....
(after all, no one wears white in the gzgverse....)

Tom.
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From: Nyrath the nearly wise <nyrath@c...>

Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:31:32 -0500

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

> "Izenberg, Noam" wrote:

Oh, I didn't deal you as dirty a card as all that! I'm not that mean!

        From WORLD-BUILDING: A WRITER'S GUIDE TO CONSTRUCTING
        STAR SYSTEMS AND LIFE-SUPPORTING PLANETS
        by Stephen L. Gillett (ISBN 0-89879-707-1)

"(Star) color tends from red towards blue with increasing temperature. Because
of this, we often speak of "red stars" or "blue stars." These names, though,
are largely misnomers in terms of what the eye would actually see. They just
refer to the wavelength bias. Even a "cool" "red" star is extraordinarily
bright and hot by everyday standards. A typical "red" dwarf, for example,
which make up the bulk of the stars in the universe, has a temperature of
about 3000K, about the same as a filament in an ordinary incandescent light.

From: John Leary <john_t_leary@y...>

Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:31:48 -0800

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

> Izenberg, Noam wrote:

...Snip...JTL
> M-sun colony world would collect solar energy on huge filimentary
...Snip...JTL
> Manufacture of these would be an essential and lucrative business in

From: Laserlight <laserlight@q...>

Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:00:32 -0500

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

> "Izenberg, Noam" wrote:

(snip Nyrath's explanation that it's really about the same color as a
lightbulb's light).

If you want a brooding red glow, you'll need to live around a brown dwarf. As
is happens, Vishniy Alarish orbits a brown dwarf, which in turn orbits a M
star, so we get both.

From: Nyrath the nearly wise <nyrath@c...>

Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:51:18 -0500

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

Of course, if you *want* it to be a brooding red glow,

From: Thomas Anderson <thomas.anderson@u...>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:27:10 +0000 (GMT)

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

> On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Izenberg, Noam wrote:

> and my guess is our psychesand bodies are not

what? we're miniatures gamers - of course they are! sorry.

> A series of

yeah - fractional-wavelength resonance. well-known fact. in the uk,
streetlamp towers were acting as quarter-wave resonators for the data
signals on the energis comms network that runs in power cables -
rebroadcasting the data at high power slap bang in the middle of the ambulance
radio bands

there ain't nothing P about by SB...

the only problem is that if you halve the wavelength of red light, you get uv
light. ah well.

> They would be called something like Solar Converter Array Satellites

Universal Transceiver-Transformer-Emitter for Radiation - Solar
Convertor
Array Matrix, or UTTER-SCAM for short. yes, i can see people selling
those
...

Tom

From: jim clem <travmind@h...>

Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:43:41 PST

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

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From: "Thomas Barclay" <Thomas.Barclay@sofkin.ca>
To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:30:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star
Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU

It'll spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> >They would be called something like Solar Converter Array Satellites

Or for NI raiders who are interested in encouraging more converter sales....
(after all, no one wears white in the gzgverse....)

Tom.

From: Izenberg, Noam <Noam.Izenberg@j...>

Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:47:14 -0500

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

> They would be called something like Solar Converter Array Satellites

Ind> Also known as 'Target #1', 'Target #2', 'Target #3', etc, for any
invading
Ind> forces intent on crippling/taking over said colony.  :-)

Well, I wasn't thinking of them as _essential_ to life on the colony,
but rahter something to make the conditions more human normal. That would
still make them a target in a siege or attrition war, but conquerors would no
doubt love to have the satellites functional as well.

TomB> Or for NI raiders who are interested in encouraging more converter

TomB> sales.... (after all, no one wears white in the gzgverse....)

True, but that would give you a baaaad rep indeed. To my knowledge Ford
doesn't go around blowing up Mustangs to generate more sales (Now Pintos
are another matter) :-)

But then, Nyrath obviates the whole thing with his snippet of stellar
knowledge - though the technology may still be useful in certain places
(e.g. brown dwarfs, tidelocked or resonant orbits that keep hemispheres dark
for long periods of time). Thanks for the quote. I will have to pick the book
up.

From: Indy Kochte <kochte@s...>

Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:59:00 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: Life around an M-class star

> They would be called something like Solar Converter Array Satellites

That would depend *entirely* on the purpose of the invading force. Assuming
they want the satellites functional, they could still disable them (or heck,
just pick them up!:) without undo damage, and still cause problems for the
colony.

> TomB> Or for NI raiders who are interested in encouraging more

You mean you've missed the Mustang Bang that happened a few years ago, Naom?
Oh, I'm shocked; the whole WORLD heard about it! The scandel. The corruption.
Where've you been, hiding out with the NEAR spacecraft??

> ...I was just trying to fit

"square peg in round hole"  :-)

(ducks and runs)

Mk