Killing Infantry

6 posts ยท Jul 17 1998 to Dec 1 1998

From: Phillip E. Pournelle <pepourne@n...>

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:06:59 -0700

Subject: Killing Infantry

Hello, After further analysis this is the current chart I would use for the
integration of anti-infantry weapons from StarGrunt and DirtSide.  The
SAW is the free weapon that vehicles get when they are built. The FP for the
MMG and HMG are two actual dice and are counted seperately for the effect on
infantry (Green gunner rolls 1D6 plus 2D8, if any one die beat the defender
then the defending unit is suppressed, if two of the three dice, then there
are potential casualties). This represents the true volume of firepower being
thrown at the enemy. RFAC and Gauss Auto Cannons use their
Fire-Control systems in place of a FP die.  Therefore, they roll the
crew quality die and the Fire Control Die. Pintel mounted weapons
(specifically
SAWs on vehicles) and In Position SAWs gain a +1 die shift when fired
but use the range band of the guy firing them. MMGs, HMGs, RFACs and GACs must
be either internally mounted in vehicles or be crew served (takes a turn to
set up) and have a Range Band of 12 inches. DirtSide ranges below are listed
for use against infantry.
RFAC/2 or GAC/2 would draw the same number of chits in DirtSide (3).
Weapon StarGrunt: FP DMG DirtSide: Range chit Draw Cost Space SAW D8 D10 8
inches
       3       4       1/free
MMG 2D6 D10 10 inches 3 8 1 HMG 2D8 D12 12
inches	     4	     10      2
RFAC/1                  F/C     D10                     12 inches
3       15+F/C 3
GAC/2                           F/C     D12                     14
inches       3       16+F/C 3

        A M-60 machine gun would be a SAW.  A 50 caliber machine gun
would be a MMG while a 40mm GAU would be a HMG....

Gort, Klaatu barada nikto!

From: Noah Doyle <nvdoyle@m...>

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:50:05 -0500

Subject: RE: Killing Infantry

My only contention with this - so far it loks good, is your
classification
of weapons.  An M-60/Minimi would be a SAW, a similar weapon with a
heavier
round (or a higher rate of fire & a tripod) would be a MMG, and a M-2
12.7mm/DshK would be an HMG.  The 40mm GAU would definately be a RFAC/2,

 RFAC/1s being 20-25mm autocannon (Bushmaster-type) and RFAC/2s being
30-35mm autocannon (Apache chin-turret/Hind-E main gun type).

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From: Buji Kern <mrbuji@w...>

Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:46:15 -0800

Subject: Re: Killing Infantry

> No, an M-60 would be a MMG. A SAW is a Belgian 5.56mm number--M-249?

Yeah, it's the M249. Also known as the FN Minimi.

From: Phillip E. Pournelle <pepourne@n...>

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:24:11 -0800

Subject: Killing Infantry

Hello, After further analysis this is the current chart I would use for the
integration of anti-infantry weapons from StarGrunt and DirtSide.  The
SAW is the free weapon that vehicles get when they are built. The FP for the
MMG and HMG are two actual dice and are counted seperately for the effect on
infantry (Green gunner rolls 1D6 plus 2D8, if any one die beat the defender
then the defending unit is suppressed, if two of the three dice, then there
are potential casualties). This represents the true volume of firepower being
thrown at the enemy. RFAC and Gauss Auto Cannons use their
Fire-Control systems in place of a FP die.  Therefore, they roll the
crew quality die and the Fire Control Die. Pintel mounted weapons
(specifically
SAWs on vehicles) and In Position SAWs gain a +1 die shift when fired
but use the range band of the guy firing them. MMGs, HMGs, RFACs and GACs must
be either internally mounted in vehicles or be crew served (takes a turn to
set up) and have a Range Band of 12 inches. DirtSide ranges below are listed
for use against infantry.
RFAC/2 or GAC/2 would draw the same number of chits in DirtSide (3).
Weapon StarGrunt: FP DMG DirtSide: Range chit Draw Cost Space SAW D8 D10 8
inches
       3       4       1/free
MMG 2D6 D10 10 inches 3 8 1 HMG 2D8 D12 12
inches	     4	     10      2
RFAC/1                  F/C     D10                     12 inches
3       15+F/C 3
GAC/2                           F/C     D12                     14
inches       3       16+F/C 3

        A M-60 machine gun would be a SAW.  A 50 caliber machine gun
would be a MMG while a 40mm GAU would be a HMG....

Gort, Klaatu barada nikto!

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 01:57:35 -0800

Subject: Re: Killing Infantry

> Phillip E. Pournelle wrote:

> A M-60 machine gun would be a SAW. A 50 caliber machine gun

No, an M-60 would be a MMG.  A SAW is a Belgian 5.56mm number--M-249?
Something like that? Everyone calls 'em just "SAWs". SAW is fairly new
concept--much like old Light Machine gun that got replaced with GPMG
(MMG on a bipod). A Ma Deuce is an HMG in any sense of the word.

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 03:00:59 -0800

Subject: Re: Killing Infantry

> Buji Kern wrote:

> >No, an M-60 would be a MMG. A SAW is a Belgian 5.56mm number--M-249?

Making all machine guns in the US Army's inventory either Belgian or slated to
be replaced by Belgian guns. The US couldn't get it right when copying the
MG42, so we have to buy Belgian copy of MG42. Doh!