John and Imre....was: weapons

> At 10:49 AM -0500 11/19/03, laserlight@quixnet.net wrote:

He's really back! (if only for another week or so)

John, did you and Imre Miss each other?

> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:08:28AM -0500, Ryan M Gill wrote:

> John, did you and Imre Miss each other?

They must have missed, they're both still moving.

R

And your point is? We have two strong willed people on the list who just
really don't back off from each other. Not necessarily bad, just best taken in
small doses.

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:55:37 -0500 Ryan M Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
writes:
> At 10:18 AM -0600 11/19/03, Doug Evans wrote:

> John, did you and Imre Miss each other?

Let's see... How enjoyable is it move a discussion off list because supposedly
it isn't on topic only to find John's real objective isn't to dicuss nuclear
deterence, but rather to call me every name in the book with as much
profanities and obcenities as he knows. Hmmm... Let me think about this... My
time is much better spent working on the mathametical models of nuclear
deterence then listening to John prove that he knows more four letter words
then everyone else on the planet combinded.

Man I can just feel the love.......)

> John, did you and Imre Miss each other?

Let's see... How enjoyable is it move a discussion off list because supposedly
it isn't on topic only to find John's real objective isn't to dicuss nuclear
deterence, but rather to call me every name in the book with as much
profanities and obcenities as he knows. Hmmm... Let me think about this... My
time is much better spent working on the mathametical models of nuclear
deterence then listening to John prove that he knows more four letter words
then everyone else on the planet combinded.

ias

> At 10:09 PM -0500 11/19/03, Imre A. Szabo wrote:

Its meant as humor. Think about it. This is light
hearted and non-deadly discussions no matter how
heated and strong it seems. John's headed back to War in less than 2 weeks.
Think about that. We play at War, but John's going back to one. That IS
serious.

Puts a whole much lighter tone on the argument doesn't it.

PS You learn lots of 4 letter words in the Army, perhaps that's part of what
Boot is about. Then there's the foreign ones. Hey John, is the army picking up
any words from Arabic, Farsi or other languages? If so, it'd be interesting to
note them down and compare them to ones that have been in the British Army for
over a century (Bint and Pukka for example).

> --- Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:

> PS You learn lots of 4 letter words in the Army,

Not really. Fedayeen is general descriptive term for all things Iraqi,
perjorative. IE, when the power goes out, it's "Goddam Fedayeen Power".
Shukran is
Thank You, which we you all-purpose to mean a variety
of things to include "We're done with the vehicle search, get out of our
checkpoint." And in my squad we got a guy who's picking up a lot of Arabic,
but he's Makmood Tikriti (Brother of Tikrit, or something to that effect),
real popular with the native levies, errr, ICDC. He was involved in training
'em.

> At 4:30 AM -0800 11/20/03, John Atkinson wrote:

So you're not calling them the 4th ID's Own Sepoys or anything. ;-)

Have you followed 'Where's Raed' at all?

Someone with some literary ability really needs to write a set of prose in the
tradition of Kipling.

> At 7:41 AM -0500 11/20/03, Ryan Gill wrote:

Which is odd because I came across this on Ringo's site:

http://www.johnringo.com/popsepoys.htm

> So you're not calling them the 4th ID's Own Sepoys or anything. ;-)

> At 7:41 AM -0500 11/20/03, Ryan Gill wrote:

He didn't say we're not *using* them as sepoys--just not *calling* them
sepoys. <grin>

> --- Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:

> So you're not calling them the 4th ID's Own Sepoys

Just because I do doesn't mean it's official. Most of my chain of command
looks at me funny when I call them sepoys, auxilla, feoderatii, and native
levies.

> Have you followed 'Where's Raed' at all?

???

> At 9:19 AM -0500 11/20/03, laserlight@quixnet.net wrote:

Actually, that was me asking if they were called sepoys. :-)

> At 6:23 AM -0800 11/20/03, John Atkinson wrote:

Ack. The kids of today. No culture! Seems like you could bring back some
Kipling and convert at least a few. Had any dealings with the Brits at all?
I'd hope some of them would get more
Kipling-esk references.

> > Have you followed 'Where's Raed' at all?

Its a Blog by a Bagdad 20 something that's rather westernized. Its an
interesting view from a local that realizes that Hussein was very bad for his
country. It's one of the things that's allowed me to point at the war and say
see, it's a damn good thing to my many liberal friends that think peace is
free if you just ask for it.

http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/

From: "Ryan Gill" <rmgill@mindspring.com>
> Which is odd because I came across this on Ringo's site:

> http://www.johnringo.com/popsepoys.htm

What's really sad is, even though the Arab world would probably hate us for
doing this... it's really not a bad idea. And it's not like the Arab world's
hate for us is going to see a significant increase from it anyway.

E

> At 2:31 PM -0800 11/20/03, Eric Foley wrote:

They'd hate us, but the ones that worked for us would really really like it.
There'd be a fine line to walk with handling them, but they'd work out like
the Gurkha's have for the past 100 years.

No sense of tradition in today's army! <grin>

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:35:09 -0500 Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
writes:
> At 6:23 AM -0800 11/20/03, John Atkinson wrote:

> --- Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:

> > > Have you followed 'Where's Raed' at all?

I'm not terribly interested in getting to know any of the locals either in
person or by proxy. They are
staying just pop-up targets, thank you.

> --- Ryan Gill <rmrmgillimindspringom> wrote:

Actually, in Arabic, "bibintmeans "girl" or "daughter". It is a common word
without any insulting, dederogetoryr obscene coconnotation

J

> --- John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com> wrote:

> And in my squad

"Makmood" is a mispronunciation of Mahmood (with a very hard "H"), which means
"the one for whom thanks is given", a common muslim name.

"Tikriti" means "of Tikrit" or "from Tikrit". Its use in this case is
as a place-name surname, like "Luciano" or "Lucassi".  Place-name
surnames are quite common in arabic. J

> --- Jared Hilal <jlhilal@yahoo.com> wrote:

Honestly, all that matters is that he's going native and we give him much,
much hassle about it.

> At 4:28 PM -0800 11/23/03, John Atkinson wrote:

Remember, it'll be an advantage. 50 Soldiers all exactly the same aren't
always useful. As long as his loyalties don't deviate, some sympathy from his
perspective aren't a bad idea.

Remember, it'll be an advantage. 50 Soldiers all exactly the same aren't
always useful. As long as his loyalties don't deviate, some sympathy from his
perspective aren't a bad idea.

As long we remember the grenade under the tent from before this one got
started. Perspective is always a two way street.

> At 8:05 PM -0600 11/23/03, Don M wrote:

That's an example of a screwed up soldier that has some further problem that
wasn't clear until it was too late.

That's an example of a screwed up soldier that has some further problem that
wasn't clear until it was too late.

I'm not arguing with that however, loyalties can't be underestimated either.
It is all too easy for the western mind to over look the effect religious and
cultural connections on someone immersed within it. In short NCOs do your job
and check on your troops....

> --- Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:

Hint: If a Muslim is going around pissing and moaning about the immorallity of
invading a Muslim nation, take away his grenades. That's the lesson learned.

Would apply to anyone pissing and moaning about having more sympathy for the
enemy than his buddies, really.

Which I can't imagine. I just found out that 2 days after I left Iraq a good
friend of mine got killed.

Would apply to anyone pissing and moaning about having more sympathy for the
enemy than his buddies, really.

*Pretty logical when you think about it.

Which I can't imagine. I just found out that 2 days after I left Iraq a good
friend of mine got killed.

*Damn....nothing profound, it just sucks.

> At 11:28 PM -0600 11/23/03, Don M wrote:

That downright bites. I've lost some freshly made
friends at a re-enactment recently and my mother
quite suddenly 2 years ago. Too many things you think, none of them pleasant.

John, be careful over there. Thanks for serving. Some of us here are more than
slightly grateful.

From: "Ryan Gill" <rmgill@mindspring.com>

> John, be careful over there.

Second that.

> Some of us here are more than slightly grateful.

Second that one too.