With the ongoing frenzy to claim star systems for various powers has anyone
given any thought to which of the powera are present on each of the inner
colonies?
The reason I ask is that my putative minor power has a history something like
this:
At the end of the second solar war an ESU colony on an inner colony world
rebelled and declared themselves the People's Republic of XXXXX (need
inspiration with the name). They see themselves as true communists...
Appeals to the UN from the other colonies in that system and the general
weakened state of the ESU at that time prevented a concerted effort to retake
the colony. ESU pressure prevented the new state being represnted in the UN
assembly (this continued until the xeno war in the 2180s when the UN brought
everyone into the fold).
The colony later grew when the FSE colony on the same world voted to join them
(the FSE colonial administration had been corrupt and joining the communists
seemed like a good idea. The FSE got favorable access to mining and refueling
facilities in the system and got shot of a troublesome colony, so everyone
came out of the deal more or less happy.)
So I need an inner colony. Any suggestions as to which one? Obviously the ESU
and the FSE will lose any presence in that system. (And I prefer there to be
no NAC or NSL presence, but could live with it if people feel that they should
be there.) Indonesian and Scandinavian presence would be fit the rest of the
background I have, and anyone else is welcome to a small colony there as well.
The Republic will have founded one or two colonies, but considering how
recently the Republic came into existence these are likely to be on the outer
fringe of human space. Again, any suggestions?
> On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Steve Pugh wrote:
> At the end of the second solar war an ESU colony on an inner colony
mars.
enter mr bob mackenzie...
in the meantime, i refer you to:
> Steve Pugh <steve@wickedweb.co.uk> wrote:
People's Republic of Lenin? People's Republic of True Communists? Lenin's
People's Republic? Communal People's Republic? People's Republic of Communism?
> At the end of the second solar war an ESU colony on an inner colony
Democratic People's Socialist Republic of Novaya Rodina (New Motherland)
> Andrew & Alex wrote:
> People's Republic of Lenin?
How about: The True Peoples Middle Kingdom.
Very communist, very chinese.
Bye for now,
> On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Steve Pugh wrote:
Hmm, great minds think alike. Thanks but no thanks.
I'm sure that my lot and the PRM would hate each other with a vehemence. The
only thing we'd agree on is that we hate the bloody trots more...
I want a planet where I can breath the air. ;-)
> >>At the end of the second solar war an ESU colony on an inner colony
Hmm, that's the best yet, but a tad long and rather russo-centric.
These folks are true internationalists (interstellarists?). In light of People
Republic of Mars, I'm going to drop the people bit from the title and settle
on the final name of: Interstellar Democratic Republic. Sounds arrogant enough
to be commie!
Web page (no content yet other than the flag) at:
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/estate/ax16/grunt/idr.html
Now back to theoriginal question: any suggestions for which Inner
Colony to claim? I only want about 40-50% of the land area...
Cheers,
> Steve Pugh wrote:
> So I need an inner colony. Any suggestions as to which one? Obviously
I 'think' that both the ESU and FSE would loose control over the colonys,
but I doubt that they would loose any orbital/interstellar bases there.
Might be interesting to have a 'rebel' colony with mother land's military base
VERY close by! Sorta like the US and Canada after the revolution... Maybe the
ESU wants the planet back... a rebellion in a rebellion, and perhaps the
rebels looking for outside help: the enemy of my enemy?:)
I've kept out of the discussion so far, but I would like to point out that, in
FTII, Jon (no h) describes UNSC's responsibilities being divided between the
Core Systems, the Inner Colonies, and the Outworlds. I'm assuming a
progression outwords from Terra.
Sure sounds like Mars would be part of the most core of the Core Systems.
The_Beast
devans@uneb.edu spake thusly upon matters weighty:
Yes and in subsequent mail he has described there powers in the
outworld as far less than their power in the inner systems - the core
of human life. They have the "on paper" responsibility for all of human space.
But I suspect that is not the "real" situation.... the outworlds probably get
left to themselves a lot.
> I've kept out of the discussion so far, but I would like to point out
/************************************************
> Randall Case wrote:
Obviously
> > the ESU and the FSE will lose any presence in that system. (And I
)
The revolution was carefully timed. The ESU were in the process of getting
their arses kicked by the NAC and didn't have much of a presence in this
system (one reason why I'd prefer no NAC colony here). And enough of the
system defence fleet went over to the revolutionary cause.
This is an inner colony so presumably the UN isn't too keen on the major
powers keeping vast numbers of warships and orbital warfare patforms around.
There is a small ESU stronghold that has held out to this day and which the
ESU claims is the proper colonial authority.
As for the FSE. They basically sold the colony in return for trade privileges.
Part of my philosophy for the IDR is that they are very much based
around a asteroid/gas giant mining/refining industry. Small
population and lots of natural resources leading eventually to a high tech but
low volume industrial base.
Thomas sagely stated:
***
Yes and in subsequent mail he has described there(sic) powers in the
outworld as far less than their power in the inner systems - the core
of human life.
***
However, and I quote FTII, pg 43, with no challenge to the legal copyright,
yadda yadda yadda: 'Pressure by several major powers results in UNSC having no
mandate to operate
in the Outworlds, except in a scientific/research capacity.'
You were correct in his intentions, though he had made them clear even with
FTII. I do think my point about the Sol solar system (redundant phrase?) being
relatively stable at the time of the FB, is still strongly supported.
Besides, the ESU would never allow revisionists to break away! ;->=
Seriously, I think it's far more likely that the People's Republic of xxxx,
rather than having Rodina in the name, would have Chinese references, as I've
noticed subtle hints that the Chinese control of the ESU appears to be waning.
Still, I'd consider Mars off-limits.
The_Beast
PS Shouldn't ONE of us get back to work? Or, are you still repressing...
;->=
devans@uneb.edu spake thusly upon matters weighty:
> Thomas sagely stated:
that should be *their*
powers in the
> outworld as far less than their power in the inner systems - the core
Well, I'd concur wholeheartedly.
I do think my point about the Sol solar system (redundant phrase?) being
> relatively stable at the time of the FB, is still strongly supported.
I'd agree with that too. I think the UN + The power balance keeps any
one nation from getting TOO many ideas ...in the inner core - the
outworlds are like toyland for them - they can play around and if
things go badly, sweep it under the rug...
> PS Shouldn't ONE of us get back to work? Or, are you still
:)
/************************************************
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Steve Pugh" <steve@wickedweb.co.uk>
To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:34:35 -0000
Subject: Re: Inner Colonies
Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
Hmm, that's the best yet, but a tad long and rather russo-centric.
These folks are true internationalists (interstellarists?). In light of People
Republic of Mars, I'm going to drop the people bit from the title and settle
on the final name of: Interstellar Democratic Republic. Sounds arrogant enough
to be commie!
Web page (no content yet other than the flag) at:
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/estate/ax16/grunt/idr.html
Now back to theoriginal question: any suggestions for which Inner
Colony to claim? I only want about 40-50% of the land area...
> On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Andrew & Alex wrote:
> People's Republic of Lenin?
The Socialist People's Revolutionary Communist Free Socialist Commune of
Communist Free Republics...
i hate to think what their political party is called. probably just The Party,
though.
People's Front of Judaea, anyone? :-)
Tom
> On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Laserlight wrote:
> >>At the end of the second solar war an ESU colony on an inner colony
how about you dice for it?
1 People's + reroll
2 Communist + reroll
3 Socialist + reroll
4 Democratic + reroll
5 Free + reroll
6 Republic
Tom
In a message dated 99-02-09 05:29:36 EST, you write:
<< I want a planet where I can breath the air. ;-)
Steve
> [quoted text omitted]
tarraform Mars, by 2180 is should be about done, unless you come across a
black spidery looking ship...
-Stephen
> Thomas Anderson wrote:
Considering the history of the place, Parizhnaya Kommuna might be appropriate.
In a message dated 99-02-09 14:36:20 EST, you write:
<< 1 People's + reroll
2 Communist + reroll
3 Socialist + reroll
4 Democratic + reroll
5 Free + reroll
6 Republic
Tom
> [quoted text omitted]
Using a Qbasic Die program I get: Communist People's Republic (CPR)
reagranged: People's Communist Republic (PCR) not a bad name
-Stephen
> Just a little liebensraum (sp?) eh? Sorry to tell you, but you won't
The IDR are Communists, but there are more flavours to Communism than that of
state socialism. Why do you think we have removed oursleves from the poisonous
control of the ESU?
Our full manifesto will be published soon (-ish).
> Would
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> Jim Clem <travmind@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I finally HAVE to ask, WHAT is a MAERKLIN Wagon???
The name of the manufacturer of N scale railway wagons. Model trains.
Toy trains - don't tell that to railway modellers though! They bite!
Maerklin is also spelled, if i recall correctly, Marklin. Hope this satisfies
your curiousity!
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Andrew & Alex" <Al.Bri@xtra.co.nz>
To: <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: Inner Colonies
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:34:21 +1300
Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
> Jim Clem <travmind@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I finally HAVE to ask, WHAT is a MAERKLIN Wagon???
The name of the manufacturer of N scale railway wagons. Model trains.
Toy trains - don't tell that to railway modellers though! They bite!
Maerklin is also spelled, if i recall correctly, Marklin. Hope this satisfies
your curiousity!
> On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Steve Pugh wrote:
> > Just a little liebensraum (sp?)
lebensraum.
> > Would
what, even the Hkh'Khhsherr Individual's Free Popular League? i think you'll
find a KV ideological faction which reflects any shade of human
belief! with a slightly ultra-violet tinge, of course.
remember: aliens are people too. they're not just bug-eyed monsters.
oh, hang on - the KV *are* just bug-eyed monsters, aren't they?
Tom
----Original Message Follows----
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:01:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: Thomas Anderson <thomas.anderson@university-college.oxford.ac.uk>
To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: Inner Colonies
Reply-To: gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
> On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Steve Pugh wrote:
remember: aliens are people too. they're not just bug-eyed monsters.
oh, hang on - the KV *are* just bug-eyed monsters, aren't they?
Tom