IJN/EDF Ships

10 posts ยท Mar 3 2002 to Mar 7 2002

From: Adam Benedict Canning <dahak@d...>

Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:33:09 -0000

Subject: IJN/EDF Ships

For various reasons I got out my set of Pictures of early EDF units and so the
stats sort of followed.

Thoughts

SBB
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/battleship_yamato.jpg
 Type X1
Thrust 4, FTL, Partial Streamlining, 96 Hull, 16 Damage Control
Parties, 4 Firecontrols, 1 Shield, 1060 pts+ Fighters

Weapons 1x Wave Gun F 2x 5 Arc 3 Battery F,FP,FS,AP,AS 1x 1 Arc SMR F 1x 3 Arc
2 Battery F,FP,FS. 6x 6 Arc 1 Battery ALL
 6x PDS ALL
1x 3 Arc 2 Battery A,AP,AS. 1x 5 Arc 3 Battery FP,FS,AP,AS,A 2x Fighter
Squadrons

Notes Usual fighter load out 1 Squadron Interceptors and 1 Squadron Ace
Normal.
 Possibly should have more PDS/1 batteries to match the original
archetype, but the number of such changes from shot to shot. Note the change
in turret layout from the surface deployment loosing the two waist secondary
batteries. the second ship of the class replaced the rear facing 3 Battery
with a turreted Wave Gun, How much space that takes I wouldn't like to
calculate.

BB http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/cruiser_mogami.jpg
Type M21741 [Mogami] Thrust 4, FTL, 30 Hull, 5 Damage Control Parties, 2
Firecontrols, 3 Armour, 342 pts

Weapons 1x Pulse Torpedo F 1x 5 Arc 3 Battery F,FP,FS,AP,AS 1x 3 Arc 3 Battery
F,FP,FS 1x 6 Arc 3 Battery All 1x 3 Arc 3 Battery F,FP,FS.
 2x PDS ALL

Notes Visual evidence shows no sign of PD or light weapons at all, however the
existence of the Paladin and certain documentary evidence implies some PD
capability, particularly the lack of involvement of Fighters in the battle of
Pluto, when we know there was a single hostile light carrier in the vicinity.
Type number is awfully high for a linear
count but may be a 4 digit year followed by model designed/first laid
down that year.

CM
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/torpedodestroyer_light
ning.jpg Type M21881 [Paladin] Thrust 4, FTL, 21 Hull, 4 Damage Control
Parties, 2 Firecontrols, 240 pts

Weapons 1x 3 Arc SML with 3 round magazine. 1x 4 Arc 3 Battery FP,FS,AP,AS 1x
5 Arc 3 Battery F,FP,FS,AP,AS
 2x PDS ALL

Notes Visual evidence shows no sign of PD or light weapons at all, however the
existence of this ship and certain documentary evidence implies some PD
capability.

At some point I'll get on to the later designs. Though mounting wave guns on
escorts seems a bit extreme.

From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 19:16:32 +0100

Subject: Re: IJN/EDF Ships

> Adam Benedict Canning wrote:

> SBB

Appearently TMF = 317. Mass Cost

> Thrust 4, 63 126

Err... no, 1049 pts + fighters

> Weapons

Non-standard weapons; SMRs are 3-arc

> 1x 3 Arc 2 Battery F,FP,FS. 2 6

> BB

Appearently TMF 100. Mass Cost

> Thrust 4, 20 40

No, 339 pts.

> Weapons

> CM

Agreed <g> TMF 70.

> Weapons

Disconnected arcs aren't allowed under the current official design rules, but
this restriction will probably be removed.

> 1x 5 Arc 3 Battery F,FP,FS,AP,AS

From: MSN Renegade <msnrenegade@c...>

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:34:10 -0000

Subject: RE: IJN/EDF Ships

> Adam Benedict Canning wrote:

> Type X1 [Yamato] [hyperlink to graphic]

Tumblehome? BULBOUS BOW?? I haven't seen the Anime in question. What medium is
this vessel supposed to navigate?

> Type M21881 [Paladin]

> Weapons

From: ~ On Behalf Of Oerjan Ohlson
Sent: 04 March 2002 18:17
Subject: Re: IJN/EDF Ships

> Disconnected arcs aren't allowed under the current official

Help! I can't find that one at all! Is it just from FB1 pg 7?

> but this restriction will probably be removed.

I hope so. I've got some NSL designs that fire using the same arcs. We love
Brandenburgs! (And I don't mean the FFs.)

From: Dave Strebe <strebe@i...>

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:08:53 -0800

Subject: Re: IJN/EDF Ships

[quoted original message omitted]

From: Robertson, Brendan <Brendan.Robertson@d...>

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:48:51 +1100

Subject: RE: IJN/EDF Ships

On Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:34 AM, MSN Renegade
[SMTP:msnrenegade@cs.com]
wrote:
> >> Adam Benedict Canning wrote:

The show in question is "Star Blazers" in english, and "Space Battleship
Yamato" if you can find the Japanese version. Effectively, they overhauled the
hulk of the WW2 Yamato into a starship.

From: Adam Benedict Canning <dahak@d...>

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:12:21 -0000

Subject: RE: RE: IJN/EDF Ships

> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:48:51 +1100

Somehow it lost a large amount of waist line in the process, possibly welding
the two halves back together had this effect.

It does get used as a submarine once or twice [Pluto and Gamelion IIRC] and
they do park it in the sea most times they land it. That doesn't quite explain
the later EDF Capital ships [Perhaps its tradition] or the Gamelion Battle
Carrier
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/gamilon/battlecarrier_reve
nge.jpg.

The Yamato's offical replacement
http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/edf/battleship_andromeda.j
pg Note it is seen firing both WMG's simultaneously. Charles has some rules
for that and turreted versions we might persuade him to put up here.

Its supposedly noticeable in the original but not the American version that
they show the sinking of the Yamato [complete with dramatic music] and later
in the series the Gamelions attempt to destroy her new incarnation using the
same attack formations for their fighter spacecraft [Accompanied by the same
dramatic music. But fail due among other things to the Wave Motion Gun in its
original TV appearance.]. Among the series conventions is that fighter space
craft only attack from above the waterline and subspace submarines from below.
The Heroes never notice this.

Winning the Gamelion attempt to re-enact Midway is more noticeable.
But then is wining against an opposing force who erase their pilots memories
before launch really that difficult?

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 14:40:43 -0800

Subject: RE: RE: IJN/EDF Ships

> From: "Adam Benedict Canning" <dahak@dahak.free-online.co.uk>

> tradition] or the Gamelion Battle Carrier

Very nice looking hsips. Anyone know if starblazers minis are still in
production?

2B^2

From: Dean Gundberg <dean.gundberg@n...>

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:58:23 -0600

Subject: RE: RE: IJN/EDF Ships

> Very nice looking hsips. Anyone know if starblazers minis are still

Yup they are still available.
http://members.aol.com/neghvar2/

From: Brian Bilderback <bbilderback@h...>

Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:03:30 -0800

Subject: RE: RE: IJN/EDF Ships

> From: "Dean Gundberg" <Dean.Gundberg@noridian.com>

> Yup they are still available.

Sweeeet. Now I just need disposible income......

2B^2

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From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>

Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 22:10:23 +0100

Subject: RE: IJN/EDF Ships

> MSN Renegade wrote:

> > Disconnected arcs aren't allowed under the current official

No, it's from FT2 page 9. FB1 pg.7 only says that there are now 6 arcs instead
of the previous 4; it doesn't revoke the ban against disconnected arcs.

Regards,