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Hi All,

I hope everyone has been merrily raising havok in my absence.

For those who care, I was honor grad out of the SNCO Academy (as well as the
highest PFT score).

Hell, havoc and high water. ;-)

??? - unidentified acronyms.

Neath Southern Skies -http://home.pacific.net.au/~southernskies/
[Pirates] Dame Captain Washalot
[DitD] Captain Puppilier

> -----Original Message-----

SNCO = Staff Non-Commissioned Officer

--- Sean Bayan Schoonmaker <s_schoon@pacbell.net>
wrote:
> Hi All,

Schoon, Congratulations.

I will have to treat you greater respect at GZG-WCC2.

Bye for now,

congrats, I'll spread the word a bit

> At 7:21 PM -0700 7/24/00, Sean Bayan Schoonmaker wrote:

Hi all,

Well after some time away I am back. My old list ID went poof along withthe
mail server it was on. I have finally seen fit to make it back and hope I
haven't missed too much.

What ever came of that wonderful discussion on Mercenaries? I know some

good ideas were floating around about logisitics, motivations and even viable
equipment and TO&E.

Well, fill me in folks,

Eli

> Ryan Gill wrote:

> Any chance you've seen any WWII British kit in

Just wander down to Basra, I'm sure you will see plenty of WW2 British kit
thanks to current governemnt military budgets.

Welcome back John, I'm a newbie and you don't know me (I'm also a damned
limey) but you do feature occasionally on this list. Keep up the good work and
stay safe.

Regards,

Got in yesterday evening.

Whittier was, well, Whittier; My dad and Mom are fine despite the inroads of
aging and Alzheimer's disease; My oldest son and kids are doing as well as can
be expected under the circumstances; I had a lot of insight into the 'family
dynamics' issues with my Niece and daughter living with my parents, I was able
to see the Aniba family relationships are as always stereotypically Latino
(Got to Love it;) the Grand Canyon was even better then when I was nine
despite the rain while we were there; I am more in love with Albuquerque
despite getting a more candid 'locals' opinions on the city (locals can tell
you a lot about a city's warts if you engage them in casual conversation;) and
I don't have to go to work Monday because of July 4th being on a Sunday.

To bring this on topic -

Did anyone post anything about warfare on/under/over water/sea in the
Tuffleyverse? There is a thread (short, very short, so far) on the 6mm Science
Fiction War Games list on yahoo that has got me thinking.

I have several battalions (of my goal of six) near full strength (with some
supporting arms) for Dirtside 2. Yea! Unpainted mostly still but the figures
are there! What level of air power do people usually use in their games?

I am waiting to see if GZG has any super specials/deals for the summer
before I send off my order for 15 mm Infantry and/or 6 mm infantry.
Hint, hint.

Anything special happen on list while I was incommunicado?

Gracias,

> Did anyone post anything about warfare on/under/over water/sea in the

I vaguely recall a short thread about undersea operations; nothing detailed in
my recollection. Some comments about transparency of ocean water to 'new'
tech, and how Traveller still used oceans as places to hide system defense
boats.

Also, there have been some conversions of FT to undersea warfare.

> Anything special happen on list while I was incommunicado?

Recently, a good time for gropos: long thread on engineers, with shorter
ones on other TOE's. Just, don't ask about [SG] Bananas-with-pajamas...

Be sure to check the archives on the various alternate FT cloaking schemes.

Small flack about some humor during exchange of best wishes for Canada Day and
the 4th; good feelings won. Jon announced he had a few DLD pieces available
for purchase in the UK, though I'm doubting they'll last through the con he's
taking them to, so no real news for those of us on this side
of pond. Maybe he'll take your hint. ;->=

Welcome back; if the Alzheimer's connection gets depressing, know ye are not
alone.

My biggest problem is listening to complaints about forgetfulness, and, being
the flake I am, not able to tell if it's normal or really a problem loss.
Mom's STILL generally more competent than I.

The_Beast

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:22:32 -0500 Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu>
writes: <snip>
> I vaguely recall a short thread about undersea operations; nothing

I guess it depends if you see the future of "waterborne warfare" as
Submariner's Fantasy ("Submarines and targets" School of projection) or
whether detection improves to allow surface (unlikely) or
airborne/spaceborne?? (possible) units to combat sub reasonably well.

> Also, there have been some conversions of FT to undersea warfare.

Any URLs?

> Anything special happen on list while I was incommunicado?

O-k-a-a-a-a-a-a-y, I won't... I'll look it up instead... maybe...

> Be sure to check the archives on the various alternate FT cloaking

Firedrake.org??

> Small flack about some humor during exchange of best wishes for Canada

English - the language that separates US/UK/Australia/NZ.

Jon announced he had a few DLD pieces
> available for purchase in the UK, though I'm doubting they'll last

Hope so, I am waiting and scheming on getting some ($100???) of the unused
1300 dollars we didn't spend on vacation to add to my current 'set
aside' funds - which would double it.  With  a bad refrigerator (7 years
old, multiple repairs and never again will we get an ice maker) and a kitchen
floor ruined by the leaking water that might not be in the cards though. At
least I will get a few $$ after taxes from my Special Act Award from work that
is on this paycheck.

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*******  NOTE,  NON-gaming, Non-GZG,  "biased" religious based viewpoint
and personal idiosyncratic type chit chat follows - you have been warned
<grin> proceed at your own risk ********

> Welcome back; if the Alzheimer's connection gets depressing, know ye

Discovering that 'linkage' is more common then I had suspected. Three of the
people I am closer to at work have revealed their parents are in end stage (My
father is in beginning stage I guess) Alzheimer's or have just
lost a parent to the disease.  The meaning of "Sandwich Generation" -
with a parent with Alzheimer's and a Mother-in-law who SHOULD move in
with us before she has no choice plus two grand kids and my youngest in
elementary school - is becoming very real lately.  I have sympathy for
the cheese in my ham (or as my non-practicing great-grandfather used to
say "White Meat Land Fish - not pig, never pig")and cheese sandwich.

> My biggest problem is listening to complaints about forgetfulness,

My Dad has always had a forgetful trait (which I inherited along with his
personality and skin color along with my Mother's body type - short
and..
stocky...) which masked the changes initially I suspect.

A lot of my father's apparent 'confusion' is/was 1) Hearing loss (only
20% correctable) abetted by chronic wax build up - and his damn Cherokee
pride means he won't get a hearing aid that won't make a 'real
difference' at 20% -  2) He does 100% better in one on one then in
groups (see #1.) My mother mumbles some times lately which only makes it
worse. And she is being over protective and (in a role reversal) looking
for/fearing the worst while my father is (role reversal again) taking
the possibility in stride. He is getting worse but not quite as bad as it
seemed over the phone. On his good days he is almost the person he was when I
was child and he was (is still) my hero. On his bad days he does show
significant short term memory loss.

Had a chance for some one on one time and had the "where do you go after
death" conversation - as suspected my father is a believer in God (or
G_d
as Jewish World Review prints it) but not a Christian, which was, while not
reassuring to this evangelical, at least was a good sign that he was able to
hold a more then just daily functional type conversation and that WAS
reassuring because the phone conversations were becoming quite fragmented and
difficult to follow.

I now can attribute the phone conversation problems in part to his hearing
problems and in part to their static filled old phone (bet that
thing is as old as I am, maybe that - a decent phone - would be a good
Christmas gift for them.) I didn't hear the static when I called form Missouri
but my Tia called from Fontana to Whittier to speak to me while we were there
and it was almost impossible to follow her Spanish laden sentences because of
the noise in the receiver part of their phone. She and my adult (well that
might be a overstating their behavior) aged cousins came over for a great
visit one day. Talk about different
children of the same father- my loca prima (crazy cousin) holds church
in her house since churches are becoming "too corrupted" while my primo (her
brother) has an e-mail address of something along the lines of
"Are-you-evil-I-Am-too" and my very Roman Catholic Tia lets it all wash
over like water over a duck's back. I think my Tio would find them
living in the same house with my money/self-centered cun~ado
(brother-in-law) hilarious.  Almost as funny as typing Spanish words on
this 'Anglo' typewriter. Tildes and accents are a pain to reproduce.

Life is too strange to be some deity's imagination. No being could have THAT
warped a dream! <LOL!>

Gracias,

> At 1:37 PM -0500 7/3/04, <warbeads@juno.com> wrote:

Well, the Tuffleyverse has a description of large battles fought over water
with Hovercraftr and GRAV vehicles. A grav platform seems ideal for waterborne
fights in that its fast and has a low water disturbance profile for its speed.

I suspect a submarine would have a hard time with a small force of fast tanks.
But how would the tanks deal with the sub? Homing torps once they
have a localized location? Sono-buoys seem the
ideal means of checking for the craft.

> warbeads@juno.com wrote:
or
> whether detection improves to allow surface (unlikely) or

AquaZone:
http://www.nirya.be/snv/AQUAZONE/aquap.html

I have some enhanced rules that expand on this quite a bit, but I think they
are in a word doc, not in an html page.

Mk

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:21:33 -0400 Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
writes:
> At 1:37 PM -0500 7/3/04, <warbeads@juno.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Well, the Tuffleyverse has a description of large

Works best with the WW2/WW3 model of future waterborne combat instead of
the 'Subs and Targets' model.

> I suspect a submarine would have a hard time with

Let's take a page from the 'non-existent'  sub launched SAM shall we?

The weapon is ejected from the tube with compressed air/gas, a rocket
ignites inside the 'bubble' and accelerates it towards the surface near the
target where it pops up, seeks and finds the target and then either acts as an
ASM or drops a torpedo like weapon that accelerates under the vehicle and
explodes up (since armor is thinner underneath (see mine rules) and scores a
kill.

But how would the
> tanks deal with the sub? Homing torps once they

Grav/GEV vehicles would seem like very low flying aircraft/helicopters.

Gracias,

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:22:51 -0400 Dances With Rocks <kochte@stsci.edu>
writes: <snip>

That's the one I couldn't remember, muchas gracias.

> AquaZone:

> At 5:14 PM -0500 7/3/04, <warbeads@juno.com> wrote:

Problem is that when you unmask, you're toast to the other weapons. Note the
many users of the past developed systems.

> The weapon is ejected from the tube with compressed air/gas, a rocket

Yeah, I can see that, but I can also see a small fast Grav vehicle being able
to throw some rather crazy maenuvers out and with PDS systems very small,
it'll be very hard for the sub to deal with these buggers. Think of them as
small, armored Helos that are right on the surface and will be on you before
you can spit once a sub has unmasked. The best way to deal with them will be a
remote top attack munition that'll have to get some altitude and deployed by
something pretty large.

> But how would the

Low, fast and armored more than a typical helo with out easy to injure blades.

I'll assume helo's will retain similar loiter time as the GRAVs due to the
commonality of power plants on both platforms. The one saving grace is that
the sub's will have to be hit with some kind
of smart/brilliant munition it won't work to try
to nail them with KE weapons as it would a surface craft.

Anyone see a problem for Future navy vessels in a GRAV environment up on the
littorial? Its one thing to nail a bunch of tanks on a bluff when the blunder
into your Direct observed fire zone. Its another thing when they can zip out
across the surf zone, get inside your major weapon's reach so to speak and
make you rely on large
radar/laser guided PDS. Ships with a PDS down
will be lunch meat for fast tanks out in the close and dirty, but anything
with a PDS (CWIS, Goalkeeper, etc) will be able to keep them beat back unless
they can overwhelm it.

Mother-in-law moved in (still unpacking) and no major  problems.  So
far. <grin>

Gracias,