After the debacle of last week, I talked to a friend of mine and he gave me a
darned good idea for a political entity. I took the time of looking over the
nations listed on the website that was recommended, and only one comes close
to following the same line of thoughts: The Thousand Nations.
The idea was batted around with my friend about a Native American movement to
colonize space. I took that idea and worked out the concept of one that was
not a splinter FROM the NAC, rather it was assisted in it's founding BY the
NAC, for two reasons:
1. To deal with the pesky issue of the North American tribes, they had a
certain level of autonomy on their reservations during the days of the US, I'm
sure they'd have some questions about that status when the NAC took over.
2. To really stick it to the LLAR. Native groups in South America are
extremely oppressed, it is well-documented. By encouraging these groups
to seek independence, they create a new enemy for the LLAR (The enemy of my
enemy....).
So here's a riugh draft of how it happens: The US becomes part of the NAC. All
the various splinter groups so reviled in reaction to my earlier posts break
away. Except for the Thousand Nations, most Native Americans remain, holding
onto their reservations.
This creates a great deal of tension. Some thinker in the NAC gets a bright
idea. "We help the Indians colonize several worlds, worlds which have little
economic use for us, but are strategically of minor importance. In exchange,
the Indians must agree to allow us to stage bases and Naval facilities in
those systems (As if they have much of a choice). We encourage Native tribes
from the LLAR (eg Miskitos, Yanomami) to join as
well."
And so the Council of Native Peoples is born. It contains 2-3 systems,
with NAC bases and maybe 1 NAC colony on a world not colonized by the indians.
In addition to these colonies, the indians also help organize anti-LLAR,
Pro-CNP insurgencies among the Native populations of several LLAR
Colonies (These LLAR Indians would be used in LLAR mostly for slave labor, I'm
guessing). These insurgencies are covertly backed by the NAC, of course.
Eventually 1 or 2 succeed, and join the CNP fold, whil;e others are quashed
and still others go on.
Initially most of the military defense of the CNPO would be provided directly
by the NAC, but as time progresses, they would build their own forces. Perhaps
they developed some industry to sell repair supplies etc. to the NAC bases in
their territory. They would then begin to use this industrial capacity to
build their own army & space navy. Eventually they would be capable of their
own defense. The NAC would no longer need to maintain as heavy a presence in
these systems, though they'd still maintain bases.
I'm thinking the CNP would be an ally of NAC, and much of their Naval
firepower would either be directly purchased from or heavily
design-influenced by the NAC. They would be an active enemy of the
LLAR, as well of several of the smaller powers that split from the NAC.
Each people group would be given a certain planet/area/colony, and would
have internal autonomy, while a UN-like council would make decisions
concerning foreign affairs, and a joint m,ilitary would be responsible for
most defense and military issues. The Indians would consider this model a
direct descendant of the Five Nation Confederation used by Native Americans
in the Northeast in pre-colonial and colonial America.
> On Monday, November 5, 2001, at 10:57 AM, Brian Bilderback wrote:
> After the debacle of last week, I talked to a friend of mine and he
> looking over the nations listed on the website that was recommended,
I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but I like it. It works in well with
the "history" and history. Current day Canada has been fretting over that hot
potato for some time now.
Yeah, I thought it might work. This way I can play an ethnic group that
interests me, and not have it splinter from the NAC, despite it's origins in
NAC- territory.
Brian
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> From: Sean Bayan Schoonmaker <s_schoon@pacbell.net>
[quoted original message omitted]
Something to note in planning a "Native American" splinter group is a
demographic shift in the Great Plains states. According to newspaper reports
(SF Chronicle, July), the N.A. population in about 6 states is moving towards
a majority. Farms are failing, reservations are becoming
more self sufficient and so in 10-15 years a handful of states will have
an NA majority. There's your splinter group - they'll have several US
Senators and a dozen or so Representatives in Congress in the not so distant
future.
> K.H.Ranitzsch wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
Whether
> economic progress in the future will eliminate these is anyone's guess,
> Michael Llaneza wrote:
It's a conspiracy of First Nations to gain control over the government and lay
claim to what's rightfully there's. sneaky bastards. What's next? Responsible
government? I say this should be nipped in the bud before it becomes a
problem.
Somebody remind me, does the Bat Squad respond to sarcasm calls? LOL.
> Jaime Tiampo wrote:
> Michael Llaneza wrote:
> From: KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de (K.H.Ranitzsch)
WHERE do you see the word ALL in my words above? I am simply saying that the
problem is present in enough places to give rise to the possibility of at
least one or two groups being friendly to the CNP goals. However, to be fair,
for the most part the CNP WILL be North American Native groups.
> this is quite an
True enough, but there are enough opressed groups to make it interesting. It
would be interesting to see what would really happen if you tried to band all
the peoples and governments of South America together. They are not a
homogenous people, and many of the countries down there have quite a bit of
animosity towards each other. I'm sure the tension between euro- and
indio-
Latinos would be measurable.
> In the GZG universe, you can of course make up what you like.
Also, the GZG universe will allow for further propaganda campaigns that might
skew Indians to view things as my history timeline propounds.
Note however,
> that I have done website on the LLAR.
I read it. Interesting that you have them claiming but not holding territories
on Earth. This would make it much easier to implement an
outer-space colonial Indian nation, since the NAC would have access to
all the groups. In addition, in the game, characters might ask how much of
your website is how it REALLY is, and how much is LLAR propaganda?
> Here, the active contribution of Native American groups such as the
See above comment re: propaganda.
> > We encourage Native tribes from the LLAR (eg Miskitos, Yanomami)
to
> join
None whatsoever, and I resent the implication. I am merely trying to present a
view that would be held by the citizens of my power, however correct or
incorrect it might be.
> Slavery has
It may be outlawed, but it still exists, albeit in different forms that are
not recognized as "slavery".
> Harsh labour conditions do exist in places, admittedly.
Harsh and not always voluntary. There may not be slavery in the form of one
individual owning another, but there IS government oppression, and laborers
who feel they are exploited. Perhaps I should have avoided the word slavery,
since in it's literal meaning it does not exist. But oppression still does for
many indians.
> Whether
Overly optimistic, IMO.
Interesting, thanks for the update. I'll certainly include them, and as
I've pointed out, North America is where the MAJORITY of the CNP's population
will come from. The South American Angle is mostly a ploy by the NAC to drum
up further support for the idea among Indians AND tweak the tail of the LLAR
at the same time. The inclusion of South American tribes will be minimal.
Brian
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@speakeasy.net>
Whether
> economic progress in the future will eliminate these is anyone's
> >From: "Brian Bilderback" <bbilderback@hotmail.com>
"Native Groups in South America.... " This may be a matter of writing style,
but without using some qualifying words like "A few", "Some", "Many", "Most",
the above statement can easily be read to refer to ALL of them.
> I am simply saying that the problem is present in enough places to
I'm fine with that version.
> True enough, but there are enough opressed groups to make it
Agree
> >that I have done website on the LLAR.
That the LLAR has no territory on Earth is part of the official canon history
(An unfortunate choice, in my opinion, but that's a different topic)
> >A pretty wild guess - do I detect some anti-Latino bias here ? -
Maybe I did read you explanation too much as a straight (more or less neutral)
history and not as a piece of CNP Propaganda.
> Perhaps I should have avoided the word slavery, since in it's literal
Yes.
I think with these explanations, we are getting a better understanding ofour
points.
Greetings Karl Heinz
I appreciate your concession. I must admit, the LLAR is probably a lot less
oppressive than I was led to believe. But while the government overall may be
freer, I'm sure there will be racial tensions. Interestingly, right after I
posted, I watched a documentary in which the Indians of Peru were lamenting
their
second-class
status compared to the Mestizos. Perhaps the oppression would be more social,
and less institutionalized. Like I said I'm still working on it. I'm guessing
the feelings of the CNP will be a little more ambiguous on relationships with
both the LLAR and the NAC than I first proposed. This IS a work in progress.
I also admit I should have qualified my statements better the first time.
Brian
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> From: KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de (K.H.Ranitzsch)
From: Michael Llaneza <maserati@speakeasy.net>
> Somebody remind me, does the Bat Squad respond to sarcasm calls ?
LOL.
No, the Bat Squad is only called for pun-ishment
G'day guys,
> Perhaps I should have avoided the word
Or isn't recognised as being wide spread. I don't know the situation for the
Americas, but in Africa slavery is still a recognised humanitarian concern.
Even in "western" countries it is a problem its just more hidden and less
common (e.g. foreign "servants" etc).
[quoted original message omitted]
> From: KH.Ranitzsch@t-online.de (K.H.Ranitzsch)
> I get the impression that you were not aware that by 2183 the LLAR did
You are correct, I had not read yet the history, I was going with my limited
knowledge based on what IS metioned in DSII.
> This means the NAC has occupied South America for almost a century,
Probably back at the time when the LLAR still had holdings on Earth.
> --- Beth.Fulton@csiro.au wrote:
> Or isn't recognised as being wide spread. I don't
Sudan, for instance. The Muslim, Arabic majority in the north of the country
is fighting a genocidal war against the black Animist&Christian southern
minority in the south. Part of this war is a regular slave trade, complete
with slave raiders, slave caravans, slave auctions, etc.
It's just that since it's not white people practicing slavery, but "Africans"
doing it to other "Africans", the liberals don't worry about it.
Pesky SEP fields always make things hard to see.
Brian
"The Irish are the only race of people on Earth for which psychoanalysis is of
no use."
- S. Freud
> From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@yahoo.com>