Tongue planted firmly in cheek...
I see our good friend Oerjan has the problem of having gamers who've seen
the US, ex-sov, German, and Swede hardware. Try showing them some of the
obscure vehicles out of Africa or South America - some of them are quite
neat looking (as you well know *lol*). Or show them some Canadian
vehicles -
some of ours are rare enough _WE'VE_NEVER_SEEN_THEM. ;)
I think one point to address what Allan said - though we use the M113,
more
use is had form the new 8x8 LAV-style vehicle (can't recall what we call
it
- successor to the 6x6 Grizzly and 6x6 Cougar). Wheeled APCs and AFVs
are all the rage now. Better mobility and self sufficiency I guess versus
tracked systems.
And I have to second Allan's other comment. Though I like very much many of
the wonderful Americans I've met through this list (Jon, KR, Los, Kr'rt, and
many others), I'm a Canuck and I'm *NOT* American. North American, sure. Even
better, Canadian. Better still (chuckle) Canadian of Scottish descent. But not
an American please. That'd sort of be like me accusing any middle European of
being a German or French just because they came from "sum furrin place".
*grin* And they say we Canadians aren't patriotic... yeah right.
From: Barclay, Tom <tomb@bitheads.com>
> I'm a Canuck and I'm *NOT* American.
Is this a ploy for sympathy, Tom?
Reminds me of that add I saw on television when I wan in Toronto earlier this
year, the guy up behind the podium on a tirade about being Canadian, and
pronouncing it about, not aboot. Pretty damn funny.
Jade Tseng
[quoted original message omitted]
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 Conchart@geotec.net wrote:
> Reminds me of that add I saw on television when I wan in Toronto
Smart man! That's the one - it's a Molson beer ad, but it's become
something of a national rallying cry... Takes the piss out of a pile of
national cliches, and (this is Canada, after all) manages to get a few jabs in
at the Yanks as well. (It's even funnier because Molson has a brand of beer
called 'Canadian'...)
On Canada Day last July we had the actor from the ad here in town, giving
a live version of the spiel - he had the crowd chanting it along with
him
and everything - howling funny.
Here, for the record, is the text of the ad:
******
I AM CANADIAN (clears throat)
Hey.
I'm not a lumberjack, or a fur trader... and I don't live in an igloo, or eat
blubber, or own a dogsled... and I don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from
Canada, although I'm certain they're really, really nice.
I have a Prime Minister, not a President. I speak English and French, NOT
American.
and I pronounce it 'ABOUT', NOT 'A BOOT'.
I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack. I believe in peace
keeping, NOT policing. DIVERSITY, NOT assimilation, AND THAT THE BEAVER IS A
TRULY PROUD AND NOBLE ANIMAL. A TOQUE IS A HAT, A CHESTERFIELD IS A COUCH, AND
IT IS PRONOUNCED 'ZED' NOT 'ZEE', 'ZED'!!!
CANADA IS THE SECOND LARGEST LAND MASS! THE FIRST NATION OF HOCKEY! AND THE
BEST PART OF NORTH AMERICA!
MY NAME IS JOE!!
AND I AM CANADIAN!!!!!!!!
******
At this point, all the Canadians are grinning, and everyone else is wondering
what the heck is going on...
Now, I'm not sure I should post this next bit, but it is kind of
funny...
it's not true of anyone on this list, but here's one Canadian's (not mine!)
take on Americans, in a parody of the 'I am Canadian' rant
above...
more playing on national stereotypes.
******
I AM AMERICAN
Waazzzzzzzzzuuuuuuuupppp...
I'm not particularly intelligent, open-minded, or well-liked.
And I don't live in a safe place, eat a balanced diet, or drive very well. I
don't know Shakespeare, Da Vinci or Gutenberg, Although I'm pretty sure they
weren't American.
I drink piss, not beer, I am outspoken, not opinionated, Guns settle disputes,
not discussions. Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing, And it's
pronounced RUFF, not ROOF.
I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack, unless I go somewhere.
Burger King IS fine dining. Washing after peeing is for LOSERS, Twinkies and
Moon Pies ARE GOOD for breakfast, I have a SHED, NOT a GARAGE, and WWF ACTION
IS REAL!!
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is the ONLY country in the world, The FIRST
nation of IGNORANCE, And the BEST part of SOUTH AMERICA!!
My name is Bubba Ray Billy-Bob Jethero Cletus...
AND I AM AMERICAN!!!!!!!!
******
Warned you, didn't I? Should I be glad that Canada Customs takes a dim view of
Americans bringing their arsenels into my country?:>
On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:56:37 -0700 (PDT), Brian Burger
<yh728@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
> Warned you, didn't I? Should I be glad that Canada Customs takes a dim
The funniest thing I read was a take-off on the I. AM. CANADIAN. ad but
it was for Quebec. I can't remember all of it, but there was something about
speaking Quebecois and something else, NOT English OR French. And "I can
proudly smoke during church services". You had to be there, I guess. *S*
> Barclay, Tom wrote:
> I see our good friend Oerjan has the problem of having gamers who've
Main problem with those is to get models... I can bash existing kits,
but I'm not up to building stuff from scratch :-(
> Or show them some Canadian vehicles - some of ours are rare >enough
You mean the various 6x6, 8x8 and 10x10 GM LAVs/MOWAG Piranhas (same
design, different factory) of which the Swedish Army have a hundred or so
(IIRC; could be up to a couple hundred by now)...?
> I think one point to address what Allan said - though we use the M113,
Better road mobility at least, less damage to the roads they drive on
(very important for humanitarian and peace-keeping missions), lower
mileage cost... according to a USAR unit in Macedonia, the (wheeled) Finnish
SISU vehicles had better mobility over heavy snow and ice than
the M113s and M2s - the Finns ended up supplying at least one US
outpost since the tracked US vehicles couldn't get there while the
SISUs could :-/
Later,
> Barclay, Tom wrote:
The TAM (Tanque Argentino Medio) looks like a Marder with a Leopard 1A5
(?)
turret - the Leo 1 turret with the angular plate armour. And, at least
in
1/300, the mini makers produce some pretty exotic stuff.
Greetings Karl Heinz
> --- Brian Burger <yh728@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
...
> At this point, all the Canadians are grinning, and
XXX Your right, I didn't get ALL of the comments. Perhaps because I dislike
stereotypes and treat people as persons first, it was enjoyable. XXX
> Now, I'm not sure I should post this next bit, but
XXX You should have trusted your feelings. It is funny only if one believes
stereotypes, and it also hits some 'hot buttons' that would have been better
left alone. XXX
> it's not true of anyone on this list, but here's one
XXX
open-minded,
XXX This was once the classic 'liberal' position.
Now it is the property of the communist/fascist/
statist left. (Well, that's what the left claims.) XXX
> or well-liked.
XXX Thats because some people keep calling this place 'the colonies', so it
must have been us in charge during the 'colonial era' in the far flung corners
of the world. (And before you get started, I wish we could get out of many of
the places we do not belong in.) XXX
> And I don't live in a safe place,
Have you checked the crime stats in the UK and OZ lately? XXX
> eat a balanced
XXX Agreed. XXX
> I don't know Shakespeare, Da Vinci or Gutenberg,
XXX
It's true. I only know of thier works,
they have been dead for quite some time, you know. XXX
> I drink piss, not beer,
XXX
> I am outspoken, not opinionated,
XXX
> Guns settle disputes, not discussions.
XXX Drug dealers have disputes over 'turf'. People have discussions. XXX
> Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing,
XXX
> And it's pronounced RUFF, not ROOF.
XXX This only proves the rest of the world is lacking in 'sensitivity' and
'diversity', something the U.S. has in abundance. XXX
> Burger King IS fine dining.
XXX
Yes, much better that about 150+ countries
in the world. XXX
> Washing after peeing is for LOSERS,
XXX
> and WWF ACTION IS REAL!!
XXX Even the WWF admits and uses the word
'entertainment'. So it is real entertainment.
XXX
> The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is the ONLY country in
XXX
> The FIRST nation of IGNORANCE,
XXX
> And the BEST part of SOUTH AMERICA!!
XXX Only in DC, and certain parts of Arkansas. XXX
> AND I AM AMERICAN!!!!!!!!
XXX You left out the 'capitalist, imperialist, running pig dog'....and PROUD
of it!
> ******
XXX Don't take any of the reply comments personally. Pressing 'hot' buttons
always generated a reply in kind. XXX
> Should I be glad that Canada
XXX Since U.S. citizens respect Canadian laws, you do not and will not have a
problem. By the way, how is the national gun registration going? Last news I
had, lots of folks are not going to obey. (Having seen the results from OZ and
the UK.) XXX
Bye for now,
> The funniest thing I read was a take-off on the I. AM. CANADIAN. ad but
well, this has ranged into the rediculously off topic, but in the spirit of
the discussion, if anyone is actually interested in any of these ads, go to:
www.adcritic.com
and look under their top 10/top 100. The "I am Canadian" rant is
there, and so is the "I am NOT Canadian". As are the "Wazzzup" ads and several
parodies (most of which are really funny).
But don't bother unless you have a reasonably fast net connection, or don't
mind waiting for streaming video to download...
Let's cut off this thread, shall we?
> At 5:59 PM -0400 10/9/00, Chris DeBoe wrote:
Agreed. Oerjan is beyond help.
Sounds like Oerjan (and several others...) need some help in vehicle
recognition.
My friend just bought himself "Jane's Tanks and Combat Vehicles Recognition
Guide (fully updated second edition)" Written by Christopher F Foss.
This book is about 1.25" thick, by 5" high, by 7.5" wide. 448 Pages. Has a
contents table in front, and a glossary in back.
Each entry has two pages. The first is filled with vehicle stats, key
recognition features, a couple of paragraphs of development info, a list of
main varients, production status, and who made it. (that is alot!)
The other page has one to four pictures or line drawings.
The vehicles are grouped into Tanks, Tracked APCs/Weapons Carriers, 4 x
4
Vehicles, 6 x 6 Vehicles, 8 x 8 Vehicles, and Self-Propelled Guns.
Sounds like a must have item for those "modern combat vehicles" fans. Also
useable as a starting point for future armored vehicles designs... (I knew I
could work it in somewhere!)
(OH yes! He bought it from the "Military Book Club". They do have a web site
BTW...8D)
Sorry about the shameless plug....seemed appropriate. I have the "Narn Bat
Squad's" emergency contact code...
> Donald Hosford wrote:
> Sounds like Oerjan (and several others...) need some help in vehicle
You got it completely backwards. My problem is that I and my opponents
recognise *TOO MANY* existing vehicles - which means that we also far
too often identify the parts a kit-bashed "SF" vehicle is built from.
It's bloody difficult to convince someone who spent the better part of a year
in or on a Centurion MBT that even a heavily modified Centurion hull with a
new turret can be a vehicle from the 23rd century...
BTW, there's a set of vehicle recognition tests on-line at
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/5423/index.html .
FWIW, when I first tried them I had one error (of 30 possible <g>) in the
"friend or foe" test (mistook a Soviet 2S6 AA vehicle for a German
Gepard - ie., I wouldn't have fired when I should have... at least I
wouldn't've caused a blue-on-blue), but only 33 of 40 in the naming
tests. My chronic inability to tell the difference between the various
ex-Soviet IFVs struck again :-(
One of the fringe benefits of working where I do is having all the
Jane's books (though not the various magazines) available on-line at
work so I don't need to buy them <g>
Regards,