Heard at The Local Game Store...

Hello All:

I was at The Local Game Store just a few days ago when I heard the following
in regards to GZG:

"Full Thrust 2nd Edition was the greatest space combat game ever created, but
thoses abortions Stargrunt II and Dirtside II should be burned and never
published again."

It was one of the store's owners.

> "Full Thrust 2nd Edition was the greatest space combat game ever

Was this at AGP????   If so, i'm shocked..

I love DS <never had a chance to play SG>...   I'd like to play
with dice as I'm not the best at keeping track of all those chits over years
of playing.

> Stuart Ford wrote:

Yup... You can see that I am caught in a rather strange situation. The guy
quoted is a member of the FT Munchkins, and was a vocal opponent to the Fleet
Book rules. I'm caught in a rather strange mess here. AGP is the only game
store
in my immediate vicinity, and despite this one slip-up they give very
good service. Hell, I'm friends with most of these people. All of the people I
game with met here. However, besides FT 2, it is not a GZG friendly store.
Most of them turned up their noses at FMA when I tried to find playtesters for
it.

Hmm, did this eloquent gentleperson provide any substance or justification to
why he thought such?

> I love DS <never had a chance to play SG>... I'd like to play

Fear not. If you play near a pc I have a chit draw programme for Dirtide
2.

you need Qbasic to run it, but it works - and you can't lose the chits
:)

If you want a copy, let me know.

This is an old arguement in any game. The new edition always ticks off some
purist.  Any long-lived game is going to go through changes, and with
those will come the rifting of the 'Old Guard' vs those who embrace the new
rules.

The thing that I find amusing is that a lot of these old edition players

have so many house rules and quick fixes of their own, that their version
hardly resembles the original.

Don't give up your quest to find new players. Pick them from the flock and
address them independently if you need to. Gaming groups tend to be like
any other male-dominated grouping.  As long as there are others watchign

you, you tend to go with the group, but once cut from the heard, you are

more willign to listen to new ideas.

Peace, Eli

> From: "Glover, Owen" <oglover@museum.vic.gov.au>

On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:00:09 -0600, "Mark A. Siefert"
<cthulhu@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:

> "Full Thrust 2nd Edition was the greatest space combat game ever

Gee, and stores wonder why online sales and mail order are starting to hurt
them. If you could find players elsewhere, I would suggest that you simply buy
the stuff mail order. If not, order the SG2 stuff and ooo and aww at it when
it comes in.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it's a stupid store owner that peeves
potential customers. I was the "game guy" at a comic store when I was in
college, and even though we sold a lot of games I didn't care for, I never
denegrated them. I tried to be inclusive, not exclusive, and we got a lot of
people trying new stuff.

The munchkins, though, you've talked about before. Munchkins won't like SG2.
That's pretty much a given. Bet he doesn't like historicals, either.

> I was at The Local Game Store just a few days ago when I heard the

Tell you what: get him to write a piece about _why_, rather than just
ranting and raving, and anybody that matters may listen to him.:)

JS
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> Hmm, did this eloquent gentleperson provide any substance or

Come now Owen. A man with your worldly experience should know that buttheads
don't need a _why_ to loudly express their opinion. :)

JS

> Stuart Ford wrote:

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion.... <grin>

Out of curiosity, and to understand what kind of person we are dealing with
here, what kind of games (FT aside) DOES he like...?

I generally find that those who don't like the FB modifications are the same
people who munchkinize FT by exploiting every loophole in FT 2nd ed that we
tried to close in FB1.....

> Mark A. Siefert wrote:

I play FT, but not SG nor DS.

But from what I've seen/heard, they look at least as good as any of