Hallo?

Either this list is extremely quiet lately, or I'm not getting my mail
(again!).

Is there anybody there?

Date sent:  6-NOV-1996 13:26:47

> Either this list is extremely quiet lately, or I'm not getting my mail

> Is there anybody there?

> Mike Elliott

removed M.J.Elliott@uk22p.bull.co.uk added Elliott.MJ@uk22p.bull.co.uk

any better?

Date sent:  6-NOV-1996 14:31:02

> I,m here. I'm just to p*ssed off to post anything. (Four more

> Later,

Perhaps if the other 50% of you had bothered voting....

Look on the bright side, you've still got congress.

> On 6 Nov 1996 Elliott.MJ@uk22p.bull.co.uk wrote:

> Either this list is extremely quiet lately, or I'm not getting my mail

> (again!).

I,m here. I'm just to p*ssed off to post anything. (Four more years...FOUR
MORE YEARS OF THAT DRAFT DODGING, WOMANIZING, WHITE TRASH
PIECE OF QUASI-MARXIST SH*T!!!)

Later,

> I,m here. I'm just to p*ssed off to post anything. (Four more

> PIECE OF QUASI-MARXIST SH*T!!!)

I really don't think this mailing list is the appropriate place to vent your
frustrations. I, for one, don't really care to hear your little temper
tantrum, nor am I particularly fond of epithets like, "white trash," as if
growing up in poverty some how makes you a worse person.

Mike

Its your mail - plenty of posts from last night and a few today - one
addressed to you personally about SGII vehicle stats. Whats your direct mail
address if you want a test.

I'm here, I think.

Or is that, I think therefore I'm here?

Take care,

> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:59:10 -0600 (CST)
...
> I,m here. I'm just to p*ssed off to post anything. (Four more

I'm pissed off at another 6 years of Phil "Ward of the State" Gramm, Jesse
"Perpetually out of touch and embarrasingly so" Helms, and another two years
of that whining wretch from Georgia whose name I shall not even mention as the
speaker of the House.

At least they won't think they have some sort of mandate this time.

> DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed here are solely those of the
Please

Good. 'Cos you apparently are a right wing nut. <g>

> forgive any spelling and/or grammatical errors for he is also a

> Mark wrote:

> PIECE OF QUASI-MARXIST SH*T!!!)

Nurse! Quick! Bring the tranquilisers,Mr. Siefert's having one of his funny
turns again!

> I,m here. I'm just to p*ssed off to post anything. (Four more

> Later,

Goodness! Have you attended the support group?

Charles Morgan (humorously with all due respect...):)

snip
> I,m here. I'm just to p*ssed off to post anything. (Four more

Steady...!

> > Is there anybody there?

hey... it could be worse... he could be a republican!

> Mark A. Siefert wrote:

Makes you wish sometimes the decision could be made by popular vote.

In a message dated 96-11-06 09:32:01 EST, you write:

> I,m here. I'm just to p*ssed off to post anything. (Four more
Hurrah! We dodged the bullet! We don't have four years of
narrow-minded,
my-values-or-your-wrong, roll back the first amendment,
back-to-the-fifties,
cranky old fart, cut down all of the trees and to hell with the future, just
don't get the information age.......

That said, we now return thislist to its regularly scheduled programming.

Brian

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> From: Rukesh Korde <rkorde@dolphin.upenn.edu>

Lighten up Rukesh. Mark's comment may not have been on topic for the group but
then again neither is yours, or mine for that matter!

<< DANGER! DANGER! THE CONTENT POLICE HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED!>>

The preceeding was utter balderdash and intended as humor.

Cheers all,

> At 01:54 PM 11/6/96 +0200, you wrote:

Hi, Mike! Got your message. This message has been copied to the list. If you
get it in your e-mail, you should also see it coming from the list.

Don't take this personally, but you've got the worst e-mail system I've
ever seen. Chris Smith (one of the Nipponese) told me that he got more bounces
from your account in the last two months than every other account to which
he's sent messages in the last 2 years COMBINED.

Maybe we should have a "get Mike a better ISP" fundraiser?

> At 07:59 AM 11/6/96 -0600, you wrote:

Mark, tell us what you really think? :-)

Actually, most Canadians were glad Clinton got back in; maybe you'll come to
your senses and dump Helms-Burton!

By the way, you Yanks wouldn't know a REAL liberal if it fell on your head
from a Kra'vak railgun destroyer in sub-orbit (got to keep these threads
on
topic, doncha know!). :-)

> Maybe we should have a "get Mike a better ISP" fundraiser?

I have some extra tin cups that I can supply to the occassion.

:-)

Mk

In message <9611061614.AA23483@gecko.zycor.lgc.com> jjm@zycor.lgc.com
> (johnjmedway) writes:

Speaking as a quasi-Marxist, the re-election of Mr. Helms is
excellent news for Castro. I wonder which of them will die first?

Is it Gingerich you won't mention? Hmmm... draft-dodging, womanizing,
white trash shit... Politicians, eh?

'pologies for more off-topicry.

Mr.Korde objects to "white trash" on the grounds that it demeans
the poor.  "White trash" does _not_ equal "poor".  That phrase refers
to low-class caucasians, regardless of their economic status.

BTW, I notice there was no objection to our President being called
draft-dodging, womanizing, and quasi-marxist.  Very interesting.

Mark, I'm with you man. I wouldn't have voted for Clinton if I had a gun
pointed at my head.

Out here.

        -monty

PS.  Full Thrust.  (just to be on topic)    :)

> Adam Delafield wrote:

Interesting little factoid I heard the other day. It seems that one of the
greatest contributers to low voter turn out in the US isn't voter apathy, but
incompetant culling of registration lists. It was estimated

that at least 10% of every districts registered voters, and as high as 30% in
some areas, are dead or have moved. Nobody got around to taking them off the
list of people expected to vote. So, someone who moved 3 times over 5 years
would be counted as 4 people eligible to vote, but as

only 1 person who voted.

Anyway, I found it interesting.

> Mr. Korde objects to "white trash" on the grounds that it demeans

     Hmmm, what does "low-class caucasians" mean nowdays?  It use to
be that the lower class meant the poor.

> BTW, I notice there was no objection to our President being called

There was some comment to the effect that Clinton is very far from being a
Marxist, quasi or otherwise. Also with with it being easy to
find draft-dodgers and womanizers in politicians of all kinds (and in
non-politicians), it just doesn't seem to have anything to do with
political positions. In other words not worth spending a lot on time on.

> Mark, I'm with you man. I wouldn't have voted for Clinton if I had

I didn't vote for Clinton either, though I suspect for entirely different
reasons that why you wouldn't vote for him.

     That's my two cents on the matter, for what it is worth :-)

Hmmmm I really must get my head around US politics. Of course we could

introduce the NAC a little early and replace the good ol prez with good

Queen Bess II!:) Then you wouldn't have to worry about elections every

4 years!:~) Of course (and trying to stay on the point) we could have

some real marxisim fresh from the ESU!!!!!

Captain Oranooo Political Officer ESU 3rd Fleet

(Simon Campbell-Smith)

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From:  FTGZG-L[SMTP:FTGZG-L@bolton.ac.uk]
Sent:  06 November 1996 07:59
To:  FTGZG-L
Cc:  FTGZG-L
Subject:  Re: Hallo?

> On 6 Nov 1996 Elliott.MJ@uk22p.bull.co.uk wrote:

> Either this list is extremely quiet lately, or I'm not getting my mail

I,m here. I'm just to p*ssed off to post anything. (Four more years...FOUR
MORE YEARS OF THAT DRAFT DODGING, WOMANIZING, WHITE TRASH
PIECE OF QUASI-MARXIST SH*T!!!)

Later, Mark A. Siefert

E-MAIL: cthulhu@csd.uwm edu             WWW: http://www.uwm.edu/~cthulhu

> I am planning on using NAC ships (Battleship size or lower) with a

Do we get a +1 to hit those ships due to the increased optic
signature?!? <grin>;-)

> On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Tom Granvold wrote:

The interesting thing about this, especially on a multi-national
electronic mail list, is that when we elect a president, the rest of the world
has to deal with our choice whether or not they want to.

Having never left the states, I wonder how closely people in other countries
follow our elections.

> Having never left the states, I wonder how closely people in other

I'd imagine its like we follow other countries stuff here... some of us are
quite taken with politics and know who runs every country, the rest of us
realize that pepsi and coke own everything anyway and don't bother with
it...

umm... I've got three guys in jackboots and sunglasses knocking on my
door. pardon me for a moment ;-)

> At 12:21 PM 07/11/96 -0500, you wrote:

> Having never left the states, I wonder how closely people in other

Gee, you guys had an election? Did Reagan get back in?:)

> On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Simon Campbell-Smith wrote:

> Hmmmm I really must get my head around US politics. Of course we could

> introduce the NAC a little early and replace the good ol prez with

        NOOOOO thanks.  Personally, I prefer the Free Cal-Tex myself.
They sound like MY kind of people.  (e.g. Free Marketeers, Gun-Nuts,
Classical Liberals and other people who are unsavory to the American Left.)

I hope GZG eventually comes out with a line of FCT ships. Right

now I am planing on using NAC ships (Battleship size or lower) with a red,
white and blue color scheme (my rational is they still have the Anglian
templates from the ship building stations they acquired after their
sucession).

Later, Mark A. Siefert

"Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live...at least awhile. And dying
in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade
all the days from this day to that for one chance--just one chance--to
come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they'll
never take our FREEDOM!"
                                        --Mel Gibson (as Sir William
Wallace) "Braveheart"

> On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Larry Jeselon wrote:

> Gee, you guys had an election? Did Reagan get back in? :)

I wish...

Later, Mark A. Siefert

"Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live...at least awhile. And dying
in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade
all the days from this day to that for one chance--just one chance--to
come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they'll
never take our FREEDOM!"
                                        --Mel Gibson (as Sir William
Wallace) "Braveheart"

> On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, lojeck wrote:
Hey, it's either that or you buy your soda pop from "The People's Glorious
Soft Drink Collective."

Later, Mark A. Siefert

"Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live...at least awhile. And dying
in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade
all the days from this day to that for one chance--just one chance--to
come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they'll
never take our FREEDOM!"
                                        --Mel Gibson (as Sir William
Wallace) "Braveheart"

> On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Rick Rutherford wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Tom Granvold wrote:

Actually, we have plenty of choises: 1) unsub 2) Start a ML that doesn't admit
a) Americans (residents and nationals of USA, to be more presice) b) people
unable to keep their political views out of MLs
                   w/o political motives.

> Having never left the states, I wonder how closely people in other

On [Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:25:53 -0600 (CST)] "<Mark Andrew Siefert>"
> <cthulhu@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
'I'm Ray Gardner, I drink Blackcurrant Tango!!!' (Sorry, you have to be
English to get that one I think)..

As to the american election, in The UK we had two national TV channels
broadcasting hours of analysis of it on election day (which was election night
for us).

                        TTFN
                                Jon

Date sent:  8-NOV-1996 10:18:51

> b) people unable to keep their political views out of

Interesting as it's been (or not), time to end this thread.

Anyone posting about current US politics from the 9th onward will be removed
from the list.

And to get back to the original post,

Mike! Your E-mail system sucks!

> On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, lojeck wrote:

> Later,

That' what he said: Pepsi and Coke...

:-)

> On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Rick Rutherford wrote:

> The interesting thing about this, especially on a multi-national

Pretty close... though I still can't tell the difference between Republicans
and Democrats, so I'm not too sure why I bother <g>

> Jon wrote:

That is more that what we American's here about your elections. Usually the
major networks have a couple of minutes about who your new Prime Minister and
then move on to something else.

Enjoy,

> Adam Delafield wrote:
Yay!, lets get back to discussions about the merits of ESU/NAC politics
and their socio-economic effects on our Space Fleet construction budgets
:-)

> At 12:21 PM 11/7/96 -0500, you wrote:

We Canadians follow it quite closely, for a foreign country. It was former PM
Pierre Trudeau who likened Canada to sleeping beside an elephant. As such, we
don't like it when the elephant starts coughing and rolling over in its sleep.

As a witicism, there's a parody show in Canada produced by the CBC called
_This Hour Has 22 Minutes_ (a take off on an old Canadian news magazine
show
called _This Hour Has 7 Days_). It's a parody of a news program. One of
the "reporters" (comedian Rick Mercer) went to Washington, DC during the
elections. He asked people on the street if the "upcoming summit" between
Canada and the US should be the Clinton-Czoski (sp?) summit, or the
Czoski-Clinton summit.  For the record, the Canadian PM is Jean
Chretien. Peter Czoski is a long time CBC Radio morning show host who has just
retired. American after American agreed that it should be the
Czoski-Clinton
summit, not realizing that Czoski isn't the Canadian PM. One of the people
asked worked in Congress. As a counter point, I don't think there's a Canadian
alive that doesn't know Clinton is the president.

The show went on to ask about the Waxman-Clinton summit. Al Waxman is a
Canadian actor best known in the US as the sergeant on _Cagney and
Lacey_.
Mercer said, "Our PM is Al Waxman. He's about this tall, balding, actually he
looks a lot like the sergeant from Cagney and Lacey." No one corrected him.

Well, I thought it was funny (almost busted a gut, actually). Guess you had to
be there (and be a Canadian).

> At 11:51 AM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote:

Actually, I'd be willing to bet that other countries follow US politics more
closely than the other way around. Try watching the BBC's News and World
Report sometime.

> At 10:20 AM 11/8/96 +0100, you wrote:

> Interesting as it's been (or not), time to end this thread.

Oops!!!! Please don't disconnect me, Adam! I just read your message warning
not to post those messages after the 9th.

(I had 94 mail messages and I'm responding in order; not to mention a whole
pack of bounce messages from the list.)

I'll be good from now on.

> Allan Goodall wrote:

I went to Guelph, Ontario, and came back with 240 messages waiting in my
E-mail box (granted, 40 of them were those "Undeliverable" things from
that
Microsoft server, but... *sigh*  I love my life.  (8-/ )

And to be slightly on subject- I don't know if anybody noticed, but I
finally
got the first two digests for November set-up in the archive.  Apologies
for the delay.

(And if nobody did notice, then everything happened on time. Really.
(8-) )

Thanks,
J.

> I,m here. I'm just to p*ssed off to post anything. (Four more

Damn, and I thought we had so much in common!

> In a message dated 96-11-08 19:14:05 EST, Brendan Pratt wrote:

<< Yay!, lets get back to discussions about the merits of ESU/NAC
politics
 and their socio-economic effects on our Space Fleet construction
budgets
 :-) >>

It appears that one of the players in this "campaign" screwed up his budget
and failed a maintenance roll. ;-)
Mike Messenger wenmess@aol.com

This cut from THE DAILY BRIEF from INTELLIGENT NETWORK CONCEPTS, INC. on
11-7-96:
* On the Russian space station Mir the device that recycles the crew's waste
into the craft's cooling system has broken down and all the reserve containers
are nearly full.
    - replacement toilets, held up by cash problems in Russia, are
not due for weeks.
    - US astronaut John Blaha and 2 Russians have been in the
orbiting space station since September 19th

And this on 11-8-96:
 * Itar-Tass news agency reported the three astronauts on Russia's Mir
space station will have to stay until February due to lack of money to fund
delivery of their replacement crew.
    - originally due to return Dec. 15.