From: Oerjan Ohlson <oerjan.ohlson@t...>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:24:27 +0200
Subject: Re: GZGverse UN
For all of you who consider the GZGverse UN to be a relatively weak, primarily peace-keeping force, I'm afrain I have some bad news :-/ SGII p.65 says: "The United Nations, by now very much an independent body with its own resources and military forces,..." Nothing new really, but it does mean that none of the Major Powers have a significant influence on UN operations in the 2180s. What is new however is what the latest GZG publication has to say - namely the 2001 catalogue: "UNITED NATIONS SPACE COMMAND: From its early years as a peacekeeping and policing force in the Core Worlds and Inner Colonies of the human sphere, with ships and crews loaned from the various member states of the UN, the UN Space Command has grown into an autonomous force with its own fleet assets, ship designs and construction yards. By the time of the First Xeno War against the Kra'Vak, the UNSC fleet is as large as that of any of the main human power blocs and its command structure is completely independant of the navies of the member states, answering only to the UN Grand Council - which by this time is a Terran World Government in all but name. During the Xeno War and the ensuing Siege of Sol, the UNSC fleet forms a major part of the defensive forces protecting Earth and the Core Worlds from the alien advance. The ships of the UNSC fleet are powerful vessels designed with the cutting edge of human technology, and make wide use of modular designs to simplify construction and repair." Definitely not restricted to lightly-armed peace-keeping operations any longer... Note especially the bit about the UNSC fleet being "as large as that of any of the main human power blocks" - IOW, by the late 2180s the UNSC is one of the Major Powers. Another interesting bit is the "...which by this time is a Terran World Government in all but name" one. How did the UN grow this powerful even on Earth, where all of the Major Powers hold large chunks of territory? Like John, I don't quite see how the small parts of Earth which haven't yet been absorbed by the Major Powers could suffice to effectively wrest control of Earth away from the Major Powers on their own - which means that the UN has to have a very solid power base somewhere else in order to pull it off... and the UNSC's mandate from 2143 gives a pretty strong hit about where to find that power base. *** WRT whether or not Iran and AFghanistan are parts of the IF or not, John has a very good point that there must be a land border between the IF and the ESU somewhere which means that Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan can't all be independent from the IF - or at least they can't be independent *with their current (2002) borders intact*. I still don't think that the (mostly secular) Turks or the (predominantly Shi'ite) Persians would fit very well into the (essentially Sunni) IF, though; and there is the note about the House of Saud finishing "its suppression of its fellow ARAB States and creates the Islamic Federation" (my emphasis). Neither Turkey nor Iran are Arab states, and frankly I think that the EU and Russia would act to prevent them from being conquered by the IF simply to keep the IF away from their own borders. However... there is a people straddling the border between Iran, Turkey, the (ex-USSR, will-be-ESU) Caucasus and the Arab territories which is currently fighting to establish its own state. What's more, their history is so intertwined with that of the Arabs that most people consider their best-known heroes to have been Arabs. (Heck, Saddam Hussein loves to be portrayed as one of these non-Arab heroes while still fighting the people from which the hero came!) What if this people succeeded in getting their independence, only to be absorbed into the IF? Later,