Hi, Paul!
> Paul O'Grady wrote:
Sounds good, something I haven't thought of! The Hostile Environment Suits
(HES) could also be stored in a spare 2 capacity points. Power Armour Suits
(PAS) could be stored in a spare 4 capacity points. For example, Star Grunt II
NSL? power armour teams which ride in one vehicle with their PA in another
vehicle. It takes a Regular infantry team their combat action to suit up in
either. Only Regular troops can use HES or PA. Militia are assumed to be just
experienced enough to use their weapons and armour! No special suits for
Militia. Of course, Regular infantry teams can start the game already suited
up if appropriate. I, too, think that the points cost for HES should be in
between Regular
and PA. Offensive and defensive capability for HES as per Regular team -
not
PA team. Say, +10 points for HES - that also covers the cost of training
for the designated Regular troops that will be wearing them. HES wearers are
immune to NBC effects much like PA. For those who are interested, Space Usagi
wear Hostile Environment Suits.
Any further thoughts?
> Andrew & Alex wrote:
> The Hostile Environment Suits (HES) could also be stored in a
YUCK! I can't imagine storing one's weapons when riding into a combat zone.
Once you're out of the rear areas (which in a guerilla warfare situation, is
always), I'd want my PA suited up and ready to fight. In 'down time', like
tanks, you've always got some suits off and their wearers doing maintinence of
some kind or refilling stores, but always with suited up troops pulling
security. As for Hostile Environment
suits, exactally what are you talking about? A filter/respirator
combination should be fairly standard equipment even for militia with no other
body armor, and Full Combat Armor (d8 in Stargrunt) should be
manufactured so that's it's sealed up--the only thing you do in case of
NBC attack would be seal the helmet down to the armor.
> John M. Atkinson <john.m.atkinson@erols.com> wrote:
The example from the Star Grunt II rule book:
> For example, Star Grunt II NSL? power armour teams which
These rules allow PA troops in DSII to do the same. Sure, it may seem foolish
to you, but that's what the NSL? do in the Star Grunt II rule book. I think
Jon Tuffley may have been thinking of WWII German parachute troops which
dropped on different parachutes from their MGs and heavy infantry weapons.
Also this allows guerilla actions or dawn assaults on rear areas to be
simulated in DSII. It takes a little while for troops to get their PA or HE
suits on.
> As for Hostile Environment
Paul's example was:
> For use on Mars and other not so terraformed planets/moons, they
HES contain their own atmosphere and pressure. So they can be used in low or
no pressure environments. NBC capable armour, which I assume most troops in
DSII are wearing most
of the time, isn't capable of being used in low or no pressure areas -
except perhaps for Gurkhas in low pressure areas... When a NBC attack occurs,
the troops wearing NBC capable armour, just, as you say, seal the helmet to
the armour, and probably close the face plate or don a
respirator/filter mask.
I hope this answers your problems.
> Andrew & Alex wrote:
> >>For example, Star Grunt II NSL? power armour teams which
Quite possibly that's what he was thinking.
I'm thinking Crete. Sure the Germans won, but that silly habit (among others)
gutted the Falschirmjaeger[sp?] so badly they were never used as
parachute troops again. I'm not saying it might not be done--a lot of
armies have done STUPID things in the past. For instance one usually sucessful
army sent a batallion into enemy territory with all their ammo in boxes which
required pliers to open, and only sent two pairs of pliers with it. Ooops.
> HES contain their own atmosphere and pressure. So they can be used
I'd prefer to use Powered Armor troops in this environment--you don't
have to conquer the entire planet, just the primary life support centers. End
of story. But assuming they are busy doing something else important, then this
makes sense.
> I'd prefer to use Powered Armor troops in this environment--you don't
Well thats the whole point of this discussion John! Either there arent enough
and they are being supported by these guys, or there arent any deployed there
at all (or not in your genre). These offer an alternative to PA for light and
still very fragile infantry units for use in hostile places.
It was just the result of a random neuron firing on the weekend. I'll try them
out soon and let the list know. I intedn to try them at "normal",
2/3
and 1/2 chit damage for stnd Infantry.
> John M. Atkinson wrote:
> I'm thinking Crete. Sure the Germans won, but that silly habit (among
I'm not trying to dispute your main argument but just a few points of
clarification here:
1. Many Germans dropped into Crete with their weapons. Some even dropped hand
carrying their Mg34s! There is even footage. However it is true that the vast
majority of heavy weapons and other equipement and even some unit's rifles
dropped in cannisters. 2. The Germans conducted several parachute drops after
Crete including battlaion and regimental sized drops on to such places as
Africa, Leros (the seizure of which helped keep Turkey from joining the
Allies), Sicily, (where they jumped at the same time and palce as Brit
paras!), Yugoslavia (in a raid against titos mountain HQ.<that was the SS
paras>, The bulge (quite a fiasco that had more to do with the transport
pilots than anything else) as well as company sized or less Special operations
jumps.
> Los wrote:
> <Amateur Kreta SME>
SME?