Hi all,
One of the things that I liked about the UNSC ships was that they were made of
modular components. I just had some issue with some of the estetics. I've
finally sat down at my table again and started dabling. I have some prototypes
up on a gallery to look through right now and I'd appreciate some feedback.
They're pretty rough, just setup for basic layout.
http://picasaweb.google.ca/jaime.tiampo/Miniatures#
There are two different setups for the fighter bay setup. A 6 launcher base
and a 3 launcher base. The 3 launcher base can be stacked two deep as you will
see in the photos to make a larger bay configuration.
I'm still having a problem trying to get a decent curve to the styrene for the
ring on the wings. I've experimented with heating it against a cylinder but
had some issues with over heating it and having it warp. If anyone has some
suggestions I'd appreciate it.
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Jaime Tiampo wrote:
> If anyone has some suggestions I'd appreciate it.
I would suggest you come over to the forums at Dean's Star Ranger website.
There's a very talented pool of scratch builders there.
You've got a good start, keep going!
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lly? Any good stuff on custom molding, etc.?
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> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Jaime Tiampo wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 emu2020@comcast.net wrote:
> Really? Any good stuff on custom molding, etc.?
There are several members who sell their work using Dean's forums as
advertising/previews. Ask away.
I remember a post about someone who would mold your stuff for cheap if you
allowed him to keep the molds and sell more of your stuff.
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mm..get my stuff made and help advance the hobby.Why not?
Though really I'm looking to learn how to mold my own stuff for when I need
lots of a custom bit.
-Eli
> Hi all,
Some interesting ideas! For the wing-ring (!) I'd be more inclined to
look for a piece of plastic piping of a suitable diameter and wall thickness
that you could cut a thin slice from, so that the curve is already accurately
formed. I'm sure there are some types of rigid pipe for plumbing use that are
made in ABS or a similar glueable plastic?
Jon (GZG)
> Jaime
2008/11/20 Ground Zero Games <jon@gzg.com>:
> Some interesting ideas! For the wing-ring (!) I'd be more inclined to
I had the same thought before I started but I couldn't find anything that was
only 1mm thickish.
The diameter is about 2" and I think for the right look it should be
1-2mm thick. Might be able to use a slice out of a small yogurt
container. I'll double check with one of mine.
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> me Tiampo wrote:
You could try something like model rocket tubing. I know at least one
manufacturer makes what it describes as "2.1" diameter tube", though they tend
to quote internal diameter rather than external; the ID is 54 mm, BTW. It
might be a little large for your purposes, and you do have
to buy it in 3-foot lengths... How many of those are you planning to
make? :-D
Might be worth a try. I have plans to get some nominally 1.1" tube as
the basis for a mini of INSS /Lenin/, but I have to find or work out
something to use on the ends... :-\
Phil
2008/11/21 Phillip Atcliffe <atcliffe@ntlworld.com>:
> You could try something like model rocket tubing. I know at least one
Well I hope to only have to produce 1 or 2 and then cast the rest ;-)
I might try looking for some model rocket body tubes. I don't think the local
shop carries them but you never know. I'm going to try the hot water bath
first. If I that works it means I can add a bunch of detailing before
instilling the curve which will make the detail stage easier.
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it's the thirteenth or the fourteenth.
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e you considered laminating multiple 0.5mm strips? Try stacking two or more
pieces wrapped around a tube and hitting them with a hot liquid cement such as
Tenex. The bond might help to hold the shape.
Also consider what stresses might be in the styrene sheet from the
manufacturing procees. I'd try either putting the strips with the same side
put face to face (counter act built in stress) or cutting from a
sheet with one strip cut north/south and the other cut east/west (two
different stress profiles). Or hopefully the agressive adhessive might reduce
stress.
Hmm, let me know if that description was at all clear, I could knock out some
sketches if I am being less than articulate moment....
Martin
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hmm.. never thought about laminating. I'll give that a go on top of the hot
water.
It takes only one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if
it's the thirteenth or the fourteenth.
George Burns
2008/11/21 <mxconnell@optonline.net>:
> Have you considered laminating multiple 0.5mm strips? Try stacking two
Quick update. So I tried the lamination method. I bought a bunch of new
supplies today including some 0.25mm sheets. My first test piece of 4 layers
of it laminated around a cylinder turned out perfect. Holds the shape true and
easy to produce. Once I make the mkII round (I made the first one a spiral
instead of laying exact circumference pieces) I'll take some photos and post
them.
Very happy with the test outcome. Just have to cut it into quarters to see how
it holds up. Should do fine.
It takes only one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if
it's the thirteenth or the fourteenth.
George Burns
2008/11/21 Jaime Tiampo <jaime.tiampo@gmail.com>:
> hmm.. never thought about laminating. I'll give that a go on top of
Glad that worked out for you! Look forward to more pics!
Martin
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Sanded down the layering in the lamination and cut up the ring into quadrants.
The sections maintained the curve perfectly! So I think we have a winner.
Unfortunately I discovered that the form I was using was bigger then I
actually needed so the pieces are too big for the section they were made for.
On the plus side they can still be used for the larger capital ship sized wing
sections.
More pics are up at:
http://picasaweb.google.ca/jaime.tiampo/Miniatures#
You can see the difference between the hand bent ring and the laminated one
size by side.
I just now have to find a smaller diameter form and I can crank them out very
quickly.
Jaime
It takes only one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if
it's the thirteenth or the fourteenth.
George Burns
2008/11/22 martin connell <mxconnell@optonline.net>:
> Glad that worked out for you! Look forward to more pics!
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I too am glad that you are finding a way to make the round look work. Straight
struts would have been a cool way to do it too, but not nearly as pleasing as
the ring effect. Heck, with the ring effect, you could almost paint the ships
white and call them "real space" ships.
-Eli
Jaime,
That is looking really great. I do have a question about the hangars and
flight decks. They look like they are glued to nuts. Is this just to test how
they fit or are you planning on doing some conversions using nuts as a basis?
We have had much discussion of the rings, I'd love to hear a bit more about
the hangars.
-Eli
Both I think. The nut ones are for the UNSC BC front end. I had a larger nut
size that works with the super dread front end as well but it looks a little
too big on the BC. Unfortunate though. I'd have like to have a generic module
to use.
I'm considering either filing down one of my deadnaught front ends or trying
to recreate the shape with styrene to turn it into a carrier hull. I did a
quick mockup when I had all the launch ramps cut and it looked quite good. But
it goes against my modular ship concept. I might put a prototype together
anyways. It did look pretty good.
It takes only one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if
it's the thirteenth or the fourteenth.
George Burns
2008/11/22 Eli Arndt <emu2020@comcast.net>:
> Jaime,
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ther thing you could do is just to work the limitations of your construction
into the doctrine of the fleet. Maybe there simply are no Superdreadnought
size carriers in UNSC? I like the use of the nuts, it's a very ingenious
choice. Can't wait to see what you do to make them look less like nuts and
more like hull pieces.
BTW, I took a close look at the hangar construction and think you have found a
very simple yet elegant way to construct them out of just a couple of pieces.
Keep up the good work,
-Eli
P.S. Do you ever make it down to any of the conventions in the NW anymore?
2008/11/23 <emu2020@comcast.net>:
> Another thing you could do is just to work the limitations of your
What I think I'll end up doing is having an X class BC which is the modular
one and have purpose capital ships. I've got some ideas for a fleet carrier
design.
What I'll probably end up doing with the nuts is either replace them
completely with a styrene form or cover them complete with styrene before
building up the detail.
> BTW, I took a close look at the hangar construction and think you have
There's only 3 pieces to the launch detail. A "V" groove length for the launch
rail, a rectangular tube for the bay, and 1x1mm tile for the backing. The
hardest part about making them is just trying to get my cuts perpendicular so
not everything is slanted. I'm seriously considering buying a mini mitre box
just to make it easier and faster.
> P.S. Do you ever make it down to any of the conventions in the NW
Just Trupeter's Salute in Vancouver. And I may not make that next year. Have
the second kid expected at the end of Feb.
Hopefully if the evening continues quietly I'll have a right size ring for the
small wings done and some detailing put on both of them for testing as well as
a more expanded mockup of the carrier module.
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nds good.
What about adding details to the nuts themselves? If they fit right you could
easily dress them up with styrene forms and other bits.
As far as the cons go, it's cool. I seldom make them myself. Family stuff,
time, resources etc. We played a few games about 8 years back at NorWescon and
I thought it might be cool to meet the new UNSC in action.
Congrats on the second kid, btw.
-Eli
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8/11/23 <emu2020@comcast.net>:
> Sounds good.
Well I want to get rid of the rounded corners at the ends, not sure if that'll
be harder then just framing a new hex box. I'm going to fiddle with the nuts
first though.
> As far as the cons go, it's cool. I seldom make them myself. Family
Ditto. I do get down to Seattle now and again. Might be able to talk the
wife into letting me out for a few hours on one trip ;-)
> Congrats on the second kid, btw.
Thanks ;-)
Ok back on topic. New photos up:
http://picasaweb.google.ca/jaime.tiampo/Miniatures#
I've mocked up a couple of primary details for the rings and to test them out.
I've also switched up the carrier module a bit. I think I prefer the new way
which is 4 launchers. I can still make a 2 launcher module to fill the in the
space and to use as say the launch system for a single fighter bay or support
for an lander module.
I didn't get around to making the smaller ring or detailing the nuts.
Colbert Christmas came on and I had to go watch ;-)
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new rings look cool. I will say that it looks like you might actually be
increasing the overall class of your vessels if you keep fleshing out those
rings with greeblies.
As for getting down to Seattle, keep me posted. Not doing much in the way of
GZG and such these days, but we do have a nice gaming group and a couple of
tables.
-Eli
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> On 23-Nov-08, at 11:26 PM, "Eli Arndt" <emu2020@comcast.net> wrote:
> The new rings look cool. I will say that it looks like you might
Yeah I'm concerned about that. I tossed on some bigger parts just to see what
they looked like. I think I'll limit them to the thinner pieces.
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no worries about that. I produced 2 rings of both sizes tonight. Tomorrow
night I'll cut them down and detail them. then I have to figure out how to
mold and cast them. I suppose I could make the half dozen by hand but I was
hoping they'd catch on ;-)
If anyone who casts and like these once they're done, I'd be amiable to
sending a set. ;-)
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2008/11/24 <emu2020@comcast.net>
> Don't you dare abandon the project. It looks too cool.
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me,
One thing to keep in mind: Fabricating a durable ring shape with styrene is a
challenge. Casting it and getting it to stay round, not warp, and be good
enough not to be pretty fragile at the smaller thicknesses (or brittle) is
going to be a second sort of challenge.
If you do ever sort out this conundrum, I'm interested in both the methods
you use (please take in-process pictures of the production process you
use) and in the final results. I like the look.
TomB
> Oh no worries about that. I produced 2 rings of both sizes tonight.
Well, if they work out and are castable, we'd be happy to add them to
the official range! :-)
Jon (GZG)
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> >Oh no worries about that. I produced 2 rings of both sizes tonight.
I think I can arrange to send them over to you. ;-) You'd be a better
judge if they're castable but I can't see any issues with the current design.
We can discuss the details once I have the final version done.
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I got sidetracked tonight and didn't get around to detailing the rings but I
did a cardboard prototype of a carrier design and some doodles about ideas for
new bow modules. Photos up on:
http://picasaweb.google.ca/jaime.tiampo/Miniatures
Jaime
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l my construction method is sound. Having now produced 5 rings, it's fast and
easy using the lamination method. The method also has the advantage of
allowing you to custom build the thickness. I'll make another and take some
photos. Right now I'm making them 4 layers thick of 0.25mm styrene. It
visually looks the right thickness for the scale and it pretty strong in
styrene. I have no worries about the master's strength on the models.
As for the casted version, I have little experience doing it myself, but
having felt pieces of similar dimensions I believe they should be strong
enough. Casting them true I have no idea about. Jon will be better able to
answer that when he gets them. Actually I guess that means I actually do have
to make few more rings. Enough to send 1 master of each type to Jon and 1 of
each for me.
I'll be getting to that next week. I'm off starting tonight out of town for
vacation ;-) I have to remember not to dable in the other projects I've
sketched out and just get them done, since I can do them all in one evening.
Once that's done I can start on the strike carrier, launch module, BC bow
section, and fleet carrier I've got drafted up.
Jaime
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2008/11/24 Tom B <kaladorn@gmail.com>
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Jaime, you are a machine. I wish I had an ounce of your talent/skill.
I've been struggling with a scratch built airship project for over a year now.
I will say that following your projects and some of the input from others has
helped in this project. I can't wait to see how the finished project looks.
-Eli
Likewise!
The long-safe disposable shaver handles have already started to be rent
asunder!
;->=
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Eli Arndt wrote on 11/27/2008 02:43:47 PM:
> Jaime, you are a machine. I wish I had an ounce of your talent/
Oh? Do tell?. What is it you have planned for these poor tool of hygiene?
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let's not over state any skill I may have. So far all I've done so far is make
a hoop and put 3 pieces of premade shapes together that may look like a launch
bay. I tried to mock up a more complex shape last night for the bows of some
of the ships I want to make and discovered that it's not as easy as it looks.
I only just came to the realisation that instead of trying to figure out the
shapes to cut and then fit it all together, I should just make a wire frame of
the section and cut the sheets to fit into it. Much easier idea.
Man, I should start using CAD and find a prototyper.
It takes only one drink to get me drunk. The trouble is, I can't remember if
it's the thirteenth or the fourteenth.
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2008/11/27 Eli Arndt <emu2020@comcast.net>
> Jaime, you are a machine. I wish I had an ounce of your talent/skill.
I've
> been struggling with a scratch built airship project for over a year