GZG Timeline

So even though it's rarely updated I've always treated the GZG Encyclopedia
Galactica [1] as the definitive FT source.  Noticed today "Timeline" links
to a 404, anybody have a good or a link to a good timeline [2]? Thanks,

Actually, the answer you want is 'never updated':) since I don't think
anybody's asked me to do anything with that in years...

Anyway, if somebody does have a good timeline that I can switch over to, let
me know as well - in the meantime, I'll take that link down.

JGH

> On 2016-06-27 20:01, Peter Thoenen via Gzg wrote:
links to
> a 404, anybody have a good or a link to a good timeline [2]?

regarding Peters Post Script.... Beth I don't recall her last name. I suspect
you can still find some of her stuff on the Yahoo Dirtside group. Also you can
still Find The Rot Hafen Saga on Stargrunt dot CA.

> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Jerry Han <ghoti221@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, the answer you want is 'never updated' :) since I don't

> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 04:30:49PM -0700, Chris Slavensky wrote:

Fulton.

And the similarities keep on coming -- albeit not exactly.

Interesting news item in the paper a couple of days ago. The "core" EU
countries -- the original six founding members -- had a meeting in
Berlin to discuss the future of the Union and how to head off other protest
votes in the future. Meanwhile, there was a rival meeting in Warsaw headed by
Poland and Hungary, who are not happy with the way in which the core members
are dominating the discussion of the
post-UK-departure structure of the Union (they weren't invited to the
Berlin summit), and how the EU has been handling the "Brexit crisis" in
general. Nine member states attended, and there have been calls for a
"new-style" EU.

What is most interesting is the map of the two blocs. With the exception

of Spain, the dividing line between the two is the eastern borders of Germany
and Italy (and a little of Switzerland), and it makes for a very

neat split between east and west Europe. It's not the FSE and the NSL, but I
found it interesting that there is a political grouping of former Warsaw Pact
allies known as the Visegrad Group that makes ujp the vocal core of the
eastern bloc; it wouldn't take too much to see the EU fragment along that
divider. Spain would be the odd one out, but it's been in that position before
(shades of the Hapsburgs!) and the whole
thing is incredibly reminiscent of the FSE-NSL split even though several

countries would be on the other side of the divide.

Interesting times, indeed...

Phil

> On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 05:56:58PM +0100, Phillip Atcliffe wrote:

The thing I see as core to the FSE/NSL split is northern vs southern
Europe: to stereotype, beer and industry, versus wine and lazing in the sun.
(Thus the Northern League, the industrial bit of northern Italy that feels its
work pays for the rest of the country to lie about and do nothing.)

R

I recall reading a (Stratfor?) forecast for the next 30 years a few months
ago. They predicted Poland becoming a major military and influential power.
Maybe they can be hooked up with the NSL?

Los

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Roger Bell_West <roger@firedrake.org>
wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 05:56:58PM +0100, Phillip Atcliffe wrote:

Interesting, as the US news focuses on France/Germany disagreements of
an EU vision.

Continuing the wild speculation: Given both are large powers even for core
members, which the second gathering protested, do you have a sense which might
be closer to the former Eastern Bloc countries? There might still be an NSL
out of that.

Doug

[quoted original message omitted]

Los! Long time.

Mention Rot Hafen, and you appear. Bit like Candyman?

Doug

From: Gzg [mailto:gzg-bounces@firedrake.org] On Behalf Of Carlos
Lourenco
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 11:24 AM
To: gzg@firedrake.org
Subject: Re: GZG Timeline

I recall reading a (Stratfor?) forecast for the next 30 years a few months
ago. They predicted Poland becoming a major military and influential power.
Maybe they can be hooked up with the NSL?

Los

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Roger Bell_West
> <roger@firedrake.org<mailto:roger@firedrake.org>> wrote:

The thing I see as core to the FSE/NSL split is northern vs southern
Europe: to stereotype, beer and industry, versus wine and lazing in the sun.
(Thus the Northern League, the industrial bit of northern Italy that feels its
work pays for the rest of the country to lie about and do nothing.)

R