Sam wrote on 11/17/2007 02:47:58 AM:
> Old Crow (was Ainsty) do some nice SF/Urban walls/floors:
You have to be a bit careful with old stock Dwarven Forge. The earliest sets
have a slight, well, huge in my eyes, compatibility problem. The first set
(Starter) had the walls 'on' the tiles, leaving partial tile squares around
the edges, while the later walled set (Passages) had the walls offset, so full
tiles all around. Alpha set didn't have walls.
Doesn't sound like much, until you try to match up walls, and had some nasty
looking gaps, especially with angled walls.
Haven't seen the Beta set up close, and I see the Starter's are 'out of stock'
at DF. Just be aware if you see them in a bargain bin; make sure you can buy
several copies of one or another just to have enough that fit.
With a set at home, and 3-4 store copies of each, no problem for me.
Just out of curiosity, have you tried dealing with DF directly? These seem
scarce in stores in the US, though I haven't looked to see if we can stock
it. I think the pricing/discount scheme pretty much says direct only.
The_Beast
_______________________________________________
Gzg-l mailing list
Gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
http://mead.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU:1337/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lThe
person who designed the Sci-Fi sets for Dwarven Forge is Tony Colasante.
He did a bunch of stuff for Armorcast as well. He has his own terrain studio
now called Griffon Studios. Makes some pretty cool stuff. The terrain not
matching up wasn't a design issue on his end, btw-DF didi something when
they made the molds.
James
> On Nov 17, 2007 8:30 AM, Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> wrote:
> Sam wrote on 11/17/2007 02:47:58 AM:
> On Saturday 17 November 2007 13:30:37 Doug Evans wrote:
I've noticed that, but put it down to different styles of passages rather than
compatibility. There are tiles which connect the wide passages to the narrow
passages.
> Haven't seen the Beta set up close, and I see the Starter's are 'out
I've got over a dozen boxes of the dungeon sets, which is a nice amount for
fantasy roleplaying. I've only a few starter boxes of the SF range however,
which limits what I can do.
> Just out of curiosity, have you tried dealing with DF directly? These
I've had bad experiences in ordering stuff from the States, so don't like to
do it, especially for something big and bulky like this.
I have contacted DF to see if they will start shipping their goods to stores
in the UK, and they keep on saying they have plans to do so, but all the
supplies I used to buy from have had no luck in getting any (despite trying).
_______________________________________________
Gzg-l mailing list
Gzg-l@lists.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU
http://mead.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU:1337/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gzg-l
> On Nov 17, 2007, at 5:30 AM, Doug Evans wrote:
> You have to be a bit careful with old stock Dwarven Forge. The
That offset is designed in, look at their fantasy line. Room tiles have the
wall on the tile, hall tiles the wall is outside the tile. And yes I agree it
is at pain. My other big complaint is the doors they need a tab to lift them
when they are in place in a layout. I have built nearly as many custom tiles
as I have bought, mostly from plastic with resin bits.
> Doesn't sound like much, until you try to match up walls, and had some
Yes, that lead me to build my own.
> Haven't seen the Beta set up close, and I see the Starter's are
Yes, I have 4 sets each of the basic sets and two of each of the add-on
hall ways, and I still want more.
For scratch building the Grendal scenics, Ainsty hall from Old Crow work also,
but I find their beds to be way over sized.
> Just out of curiosity, have you tried dealing with DF directly?
Yep, they are direct sales only now.
James wrote on 11/17/2007 09:52:39 AM:
> The person who designed the Sci-Fi sets for Dwarven Forge is Tony
Fanboy... ;->=
Yes, I saw the name on the site; you must remember, between giving specs,
molding, returning proofs to company, back and forth a few times, shipped off
to China, more of the same, then ok'd and shipped out, it's a wonder any of it
works!
Samuel wrote on 11/17/2007 10:10:02 AM:
***snippage**
> I've noticed that, but put it down to different styles of passages
Really? I thought I'd tried matching things up right proper...
Back to the shop!
> I've got over a dozen boxes of the dungeon sets, which is a nice
***retrieves jaw from the floor***
And this before the exchange rate had moved towards your advantage?!?
I've never bought at more expensive than 50% of retail; you must REALLY like
it.
> I've had bad experiences in ordering stuff from the States, so don't
Tell you what: I'm planning on getting a Beta to see how it'd work out. Had a
favor or several done by Brits (Thanks, Tony!); maybe we can work a transship
if you're willing to try small...
The_Beast
> On Sat, November 17, 2007 19:18, Doug Evans wrote:
The advantage of the 'thin' walls is that all tiles are the same size (since
the wall sits inside the tile), so you can have a wall between two rooms. The
advantage of the 'wide' passages is that you have a full tile available for
putting miniatures on, but they need to have space around them.
So there seemed to be a logical reason to having both types. Or at least, it
was a mistake which turns out to be an advantage.
> Back to the shop!
Um, yeah :-) I did look into ordering direct from the states a
while back, but it worked out almost twice as expensive as buying the stuff
locally (what with shipping and import duty). Buying from a show, I could just
stick it all in the back of a car, and not have to pay any delivery.
But yes, I have a lot[1]. On the other hand, I've probably spent a similar
amount on stuff from Purbeck[2] for my wargaming.
> I've never bought at more expensive than 50% of retail; you must
I'm in the situation where I have more money than time, so I'm quite happy to
buy things which require no effort to paint (to a point).
> I've had bad experiences in ordering stuff from the States, so don't
Thanks for the offer, but I'll hold off for now. The SF range is currently
only in starter sets, and works out much more expensive than the dungeon stuff
did for the same amount.
[1] http://www.glendale.org.uk/wargames/fiverings/dungeon.html
That's just the caverns sets, which I don't have much of.
[2] http://www.glendale.org.uk/wargames/
Sam replied on 11/19/2007 02:44:00 AM:
***snippage***
> The advantage of the 'thin' walls is that all tiles are the
I can see that, and can probably put together with the out-lying walls
as
perimeter, and the in-lying walls as 'interior', but I've not tried
anything large enough to have much space 'interior'. When you try to match up
walls along the outside, unless I've miss previously mentioned transitional
pieces, it looks a bit tacky.
Also, when you're trying to run simple games with inch round bases, the whole
tiles become important.
Thanks for all the points! Still haven't dug out the sets to try for myself
yet.
***snippage***
> Um, yeah :-) I did look into ordering direct from the states a
Well, my being lazy, incompetent, and low on money, bottom-feeding-r-us
(note, no challenge to the Toys-R-Us trademark intended...). ;->=
***snippage***
> Thanks for the offer, but I'll hold off for now. The SF range is
Like I said, I owe too many favors not to make the offer. ;->=
> [1] http://www.glendale.org.uk/wargames/fiverings/dungeon.html
Kewl beans! Makes me regret the several times I've seen sets being flushed out
of shops and DIDN'T get the heavy discounts. *shrug*
I went to the Purbeck site, but they seem to be really centered on selling at
shows, and the price list doesn't seem to linked by id numbers to any of
the images (yes, I should be grateful there ARE images), so cross-briny
ordering would be a bit tricky.
Must say, I'm rather taken with the stream/shore/harbor pieces.
Ok, this has prolly gone way OT. Apologies to anyone going impatient.
The_Beast
> On Monday 19 November 2007 15:29:41 Doug Evans wrote:
Their website used to be crap, then they re-did it, and it's now
worse. They do a printed black and white catalogue, which is better than
nothing, but no good for online purchasing. I tend to complain about the GZG
site and its lack of decent images, but the Purbeck site is much, much worse.
The thing is, they don't even go to many shows, so buying from them at shows
is almost impossible.
It is nice terrain though, and very flexible and quick to setup.