[GZG] Subject: [OFFICIAL] APCs, holidays, deals and stuff!

_______________________________________________
Gzg-l mailing list
Gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
http://vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu:1337/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lhtt
p://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.forces.gc.ca/wes/wes_equipmen
ts/lav_iii.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.forces.gc.ca/wes/equipments_e.html&h
=603&w=800&sz=168&tbnid=ypQ8rKjVTr0J::&tbnh=108&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3F
q%3DLAV%2BIII&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1

1) Turreted Mortars: I wonder if this is more complexity than would be
necessary. Usually, with vehicle-sized mortars, you'll be firing a fair
distance. Your targets at those ranges won't necessitate sizable changes of
arc (unlike engaging hostile infantry or tanks close in, the reason turreted
DF weapons are popular). You'd think the mortar inside the hull would be just
fine for that. (see the link above for an example)

NOTE: Turreted AGLs make sense and the turret depicted there could be twin
large-calibre AGLs. Alternately, a smaller twin AGL turret could be
built. That sort of weapon is for short range DF or indirect engagement of
infantry and soft skinned vehicles, so it makes sense for a turret.

2) Ambulance Version: No turret? Jon?:)

3) Note the TOW under armour variant on the link. I think the system is
mounted rearward for balance and for ease of reloading (spares probably have
to be taken from the inside, heaved up onto the top deck, and loaded). This
sort of design might predominate in missile systems. An Aliens APC style
turret track that let you rotate the launcher down off the back and reload at
ground level might also work.

4) Note the LAV III's turret, fairly large to accomodate the RFAC and the MGs
and sensors and people and ammo feed systems, is mounted centreline from the
front and centreline from the side (or close to it). This is again probably
for balance. The tipping issue is substantial in hilly places like
Afghanistan. And it probably makes the vehicle a more steady weapons platform.
I tend to think most of the larger turret systems would be centre mount if
they don't have the reloading issues the missile system does.
Especially if they have recoil-heavy weapons.

5) Scout/Recce Turret: Jon? :0)

Just some thoughts.

Also, kudos to Jon for making a nice looking tracked main hull and a CEV.

TomB

> <'"http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.forces.gc.ca/wes/wes_e

Well, the idea behind it was that it could be used in multiple modes
- high-trajectory mortar fire for long-range support, and lower
trajectory for direct support where a turretted system would be useful.
Mounting it on a large vehicle chassis gives plenty of storage for useful
amounts of ammo.

> 2) Ambulance Version: No turret? Jon? :)

Probably not worth producing as a separate mini (though if folks want
one, speak up!) - I'd just use the basic APCs and simply plate over
the turret hole, or graft a commander's hatch on there.

> 3) Note the TOW under armour variant on the link. I think the system

What armament?

> Just some thoughts.

Thanks!  :-)

Jon (GZG)

> TomB

> TomB wrote:

> 1) Turreted Mortars: I wonder if this is more complexity than would be

Depends on whether you consider direct-fire modes and autoloaders to be
more complexity than necessary...

> NOTE: Turreted AGLs make sense and the turret depicted there could be

Here's an example of a 120mm twin AGL:

<http://www.defense-update.com/products/a/amos.htm>

:-P