[GZG] ping

<this ping is from a remote sensor drone>

As long as you brought the subject up, do you have any new thoughts on remote
sensor drones?

The_Beast

Chris wrote on 02/01/2007 10:19:06 AM:

> <this ping is from a remote sensor drone>

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thing down!

Roger

> On 2/1/07, laserlight@verizon.net <laserlight@verizon.net> wrote:

pong

Michael Brown mwsaber6@msn.com

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> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 11:42:55AM -0500, Roger Books wrote:

That sends information. (Very binary information, but still information.)

Just make sure you don't make the same error as the designers of the Ohio
SSBN.

R

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drone triggers an automated antiradiation missile from a United Stars CAPTOR
mine on the frontier....

> laserlight@verizon.net wrote:
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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lOoh, I like that.
Sounds like a good scenario

Michael Brown

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the remote sensor drone triggers an automated antiradiation missile from a
United Stars CAPTOR mine on the frontier....

> laserlight@verizon.net wrote:

> the remote sensor drone triggers an automated antiradiation missile

Good. We're happy to expend a drone just to find out the existence of the
mines; getting to kill an expensive missile in the process is gravy.

> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 11:13:10AM -0600, laserlight@verizon.net wrote:

> Good. We're happy to expend a drone just to find out the existence of

See? I told you so!

Death to Vermin

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designed by the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal...whaddya gonna do?
;-)

laserlight@verizon.net wrote: >the remote sensor drone triggers an automated
antiradiation missile from a United Stars CAPTOR mine on the frontier....

Good. We're happy to expend a drone just to find out the existence of the
mines; getting to kill an expensive missile in the process is gravy.
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> Ken Hall wrote:
Equip the design office with towels the next time the system comes up
for redesign? :-D

> On 2/1/07, laserlight@verizon.net <laserlight@verizon.net> wrote:

The remote sensor drone is essentially the equivalent of a 19th century
cavalry scout. You blocked cavalry with cavalry. Send out your own remote
sensor drone with a cheap weapon mounted on it, designed to take out, or at
least impede, the other sensor drone. Even a shot gun would be enough to force
the other guy to put more armour on it. Then you end up with the same
escalation that went through World War One aircraft. Meanwhile, your remote
gives the other side no more information than their remote gave your side.

Phillip wrote on 02/01/2007 12:40:02 PM:
> Ken Hall wrote:

> Frontier defense as designed by the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of

Well, what *I* would do is sell you some better defenses. And operator
training, maintenance training, spare parts inventory, and periodic
upgrades. Buy Alarishi--no end-user certificates, no tariffs, no taxes.

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> http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lDoug Evans wrote:
Two to the power of a telephone number and falling....

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improvement from the previous iteration--the AI was so pugnacious that
if a bogey didn't wander by for six months, the mines would start shooting at
each other.

  Ken
USN BuOrd, patience of Job, etc.

> Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> wrote:

Phillip wrote on 02/01/2007 12:40:02 PM:
> Ken Hall wrote:

> Good. We're happy to expend a drone just to find out the existence of

A little more, in this scenario. We've found out:

a. defenses are there b. defenses don't stop to identify before they shoot c.
by implication, something worth defending is there
d. defenses fire on low-mass, low-threat targets, implying an inability
to discriminate e. type of weapon for some of the defenses, including thrust,
warhead yield, possibly targeting ability

All of this adds up to two things: a. we can sweep at least some of his mines
by using balloons with sensor emitters; b. then we can sell him better
equipment

Actually, I don't necessarily agree you've found any of that out, except maybe
for E.

You end up with some poor schmuck with a one shot surplus munition....
However hi-tech.

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> On 2/1/07, laserlight@verizon.net <laserlight@verizon.net> wrote:

Presumably you sent the hunter drone because you wanted to eliminate, or chase
off, the other guy's drone for some reason. Yes it might be because there is
something to hide. Or, it could be just to keep the drone at a safe distance,
or keep him on his toes. You might want a bunch of hunter drones in an area as
a feint.

You're really only going to encounter defences where there are things to
defend. The trick is to have a deep enough defence that the other side won't
learn too much simply by encountering you.

> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Roger Burton West wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 11:42:55AM -0500, Roger Books wrote:
Sorry I've not heard that one. Please retell or provide web reference...

> On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Ken Hall wrote:

> Frontier defense as designed by the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of

Me? I'm getting out my towel and covering my head. I'll try to go right
through the defenses. If the only defenses are RBBT designed, I'll waltz right
through.

If there are additional defenses that aren't RBBT designed, there's a towel
over my head, I'll be blissfully unaware of my impending death.

Mike

P.S. And for few those who don't know about the RBBT: The Ravenous Bugblatter
Beast of Traal is a creature that hails from the

planet of Traal, and will eat anything. If you are to encounter one, the

Guide tells you that it's impossible to slay, so you should wrap a towel
around your head. This creature is so mind-bogglingly stupid that it
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> Mike Stanczyk wrote:
Is this as in "it's _too_ quiet -- so quiet that it can be detected by
the 'hole' it makes in the background noise level"?

Phil

> From: Mike Stanczyk

> Me? I'm getting out my towel and covering my head. I'll try to go

We'll send a sales engineer to explain why this isn't an optimum solution, and
what you should do instead. Don't complain about the
cost--you'll still have a lot more money than you would if you'd run
into a non-RBBT defense.

> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:23:38PM +0000, Phillip Atcliffe wrote:

That's the version I've heard. If anyone can provide corroboration (positive
or negative) I'd like to know...

R

Sonar passive does'n hear "holes in the water". Hollywood loves either giving
way too much bonus or way too many negatives to basic technologies of late
last century (1980-1999).

> --- Roger Burton West <roger@firedrake.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:23:38PM +0000, Phillip
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> Just make sure you don't make the same error as the designers of the

Anybody who talks authoritatively about SSBN noise characteristics doesn't
know what they're talking about. This stuff is very sensitive indeed. Those

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