Has everyone had a chance to check out the rulebook coming with the new game
pieces? I'm not sure whether they very recently put it up, or I was just
having trouble with their 'busy' site.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/SBrulebook
First point: square grid. Guess they didn't want to scare all the current SW
Miniatures players, and, what the heck, if it was good enough for Evil
Empires (tm) Spacefleet, how can you kvetch? ;->=
I've looked at the rules a couple of times, and still haven't gotten my head
around the VERY simple structure; just especially dense, at the moment. Still,
I have to think I'll probably be more thrilled with the ships to add to my
micromachine SW's for use with FT and other systems, but we'll see.
The_Beast
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Doug Evans wrote:
> Has everyone had a chance to check out the rulebook coming with the
*bleck* I read it. What a limited rule set. No gravity wells, planets, moving
boards, asteroids even. Full thrust rules!
> Still, I have to think I'll probably be more thrilled with the
You did see the *collectable* part right? *sigh* I hate games that limit your
ability to play based on your wallet. I'd love a Mon Cal fleet that I don't
have to paint but not at "uncommon" prices.
And Jon? Yet another "thank you!" for a game that doesn't require only your
minis, painted in approved army colors. I love your minis but can't paint
myself into a corner. Hence the prepainted plastic.
gzg-l-bounces@lists.csua.berkeley.edu wrote on 10/17/2006 05:12:09 PM:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Doug Evans wrote:
Preaching to the choir, though, I assume there will be expansions, and
uber/rare/unique ships.
> > Still, I have to think I'll probably be more thrilled with the
Heck, just don't play with the most expensive/rare, and shouldn't be TOO
much a problem. Anybody that brings these to a game, you just find yourself
busy. As it is, I'm going to play and support at the store. I'm just
hopeing to bring in even more fun play using straight tabletop. ;->=
What the heck; if the game tanks, then the stuff will be cheap to pick up,
just the way MM's are much of the time. I'm about ready to run OGRE games
using old Mechwarrior clix stuff that has lost most of it's original value.
> And Jon? Yet another "thank you!" for a game that doesn't require
Not to worry, Jon; even those of us who are all thumbs can get spaceships
painted acceptably. Especially when we have friends getting married and
reducing game collections. ;->=
The_Beast
> Preaching to the choir, though, I assume there will be expansions, and
Intial chat from WOTC suggests that this may be a one-off release, as it
apparently has 60 figs in the pool rather than 40 like their earlier releases.
> <Snip?
Another thing is that you will often see the exact same unit two to three
times, with different stat cards and paint jobs, one being a common, another
uncommon, and a third unique. This is most prevalent in the Mechwarrior clix
stuff, but I wouldn't be suprised to see it in
here. There'll probably be common X-wings, with an uncommon or rare
"special" one, probably a Luke or Biggs model that would look only different
with its card and paint scheme. I can imagine the same happening with most
major kinds of ship. There'll probably be a special "Grand Admiral Thrawn"
Star Destroyer.
Sylvester wrote on 10/18/2006 12:50:50 AM:
> > <Snip?
<Snip! ;->=
> >.... I'm just
As in FT, in case someone missed this admittedly subtle reference.
> >What the heck; if the game tanks, then the stuff will be
Just wanted to point out, in case someone wasn't aware, that clix are produced
by Wizkids, StarWars by Wizards of the Coast. I'm not a big fan of either
game, but I've not seen the same sculpt reused in the same way in either the
Star Wars, or D&D collectable minis from WotC. Not saying it doesn't happen,
or won't, just that it's not a main theme the way it is with Mage Knight,
HeroEtAl, Mechwarrior, et al.
In MW, you get the regular three levels (rookie, veteran, elite?) plus special
named units, plus special 'clan' versions. Same fig goes a LONG
way. ;->=
However, I have seen earlier editions of the Star Wars figs drop in prices; my
point was, same result on picking stuff cheap for other games.
Let's not forget that even the noble Jon has done some collectable stuff.
Heck, I'm hoping to soon to have news to share about a fig based on me.
At least, that's likely to be collectable around here.
The_Beast
> Heck, I'm hoping to soon to have news to share about a fig based on me.
You mean, like a voodoo doll?
<grin>
Chris wrote on 10/18/2006 08:52:25 AM:
> >Heck, I'm hoping to soon to have news to share about a
Any reason to buy is fine by me; kind of difficult inserting pins into
metal figs, but that wouldn't stop you, right? ;->=
If it sold well, I may end up getting a follow-up on a chariot or mount.
If you want a cause for shuddering, just imagine if I claimed it was being
done for Jon, in a spot amongst the Gentlemen's Collectables...
The_Beast
> Doug Evans wrote:
> If you want a cause for shuddering, just imagine if I claimed it was
No, for a real shudder, that would be me.
James wrote on 10/20/2006 02:52:40 AM:
> Are the fighters in scale to the capital ships, or is it
I'll be go to heck; to scale would be pin-head sized. Still a stand of
very small would look more apropos.
I'm thrilled to finally get an idea of the rules.
> Has anyone one got the link to the Islamic federation ship stats;]
Other than this one by Chris, already mentioned?
http://mysite.verizon.net/laserlight/ft/if.htm
The_Beast
Are the fighters in scale to the capital ships, or is it just micro machines
with better paint jobs.
Has anyone one got the link to the Islamic federation ship stats;]
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Try playing the WW2 game using SG2 rules?
> james mitchell wrote:
> Yes it's in Australia, and I'm doing a WW2 game in 28mm, yes I would
> well priced figure's and a great sci fi system to kids that only play
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> mitchell <tagalong@sa.chariot.net.au> wrote:
Well, it's my understanding that the game Flames of War has been dragging
swaths of 40Kers into its fold, learning them about a bit of history and
getting them into another game system. So do a real good historical write up
of some units and play the game out using SG2 rules. :-) Admittedly
SG2 is a wee bit more complicated than FoW, but done right (i.e., don't hit
them with every little nuance; retain some of the gritty details in the GM
Domain), you should be able to pull it off nicely.
Mk
> On Oct 20, 2006, at 7:49 AM, Indy wrote:
> Well, it's my understanding that the game Flames of War has been
Or DS! More appropriate to the scale and the game should be over *real* quick.
Which is good as you can then play another.
Damo
James wrote on 10/21/2006 05:50:50 AM:
> Thanks guy's, for the link.
No problem! It was phrased to phish for another set if someone had some.
;->=
> As for the Star Wars fighter scale, the X-wing used in the
Well, the individual characters probably have to shine someway, though I think
'ace' rule in FT is far more elegant in a fleet game.
Chris' comments aside, I still think a large fighter and a die to represent
the squadron is the way to go. Just don't put it on a flat base; the die needs
to be protected from those of us too clumsy to live.
I've recently picked up some of Flagship Games' Starship! pieces. Not the
ships themselves, as I find them VERY pricey, but the
fighters/torps/shuttles/etc. One thought was to use them as a base, and
put a die on a stand, the other was to take six of the square pieces, grind
out some ships (have to figure how to add as well; the pieces only show four
ships) and glue them together into a squadron die.
Shows how crazed I must be; most folks would just swap out pieces.
Slide to almost the bottom of the page to see what I mean; better men than I
would do the pieces themselves:
http://www.flagshipgames.com/catalog-starship.htm
As for scale, there's MM's 'one fit sizes all', and there's
micrometer-accurate presentation pieces, and a good variation in
between. The rules give four classes, and if the previous games are to be
judged, the figs will roughly match. There will be some variance in that, but
it's not a bad way to go.
Really, for Star Wars, a micro machine Star Destroyer needs pin POINT
fighters. Compare the fighters to blockade runner a 1X, then the runner to
SD at -2x.
http://www.merzo.net/index.html
> Well on the 29th of October we are having a small wargames
Wait a minute; can you honestly say you don't have more lead at home than can
be painted in a life time?
> to be adopted, if only Madonna would take a leaf out of my
A 'company' of children growing under the guidance of Madonna... *shudder*
> Yes it's in Australia, and I'm doing a WW2 game in 28mm,
A good way to start is to watch for the kids constantly getting their
a**es
handed to them, and give them a chance at a game that's more about thinking.
Let them use the Evil Empire(tm) figs, with disadvantages for
being easy-to-spot. ;->=
Another thing to try is watch for uber-sized games, and
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> <damosan@gmail.com> wrote:
With 28mm figs? He'll need a huge play area for a good and proper DS game!
8-O
Mk
Sorry, that wasn't ready to send; WAY too long. *blush*
We'll just leave it blithering into incoherence.
The_Beast
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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lOk, a little off
topic, but bases were mentioned in the last reply, and I was wondering if
anyone had seen the magnetic bases from Ninja Magic? I saw them at GenCon and
have been waiting with baited breath for them to come out.
> On 10/20/06, Doug Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> wrote:
*shudder*
> > Yes it's in Australia, and I'm doing a WW2 game in 28mm,
> On Oct 20, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Indy wrote:
> With 28mm figs? He'll need a huge play area for a good and proper
Oh...I was reading the FoW stuff. Sorry.
I guess you *could* do a DS game in 28mm if you *really* wanted to and had a
*large* amount of space handy.:)
Damo
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He'll need a huge play area for a good and proper DS game! 8-O
Mk
LOL, this from the Mega-Ogre designer/player, oh well
guess you'd know huh......)
Don
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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lOn 10/20/06, Don M
> <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> wrote:
I tried to stick to 15mm ;-)
Mk
Mark wrote on 10/20/2006 12:25:53 PM:
> On 10/20/06, Don M <dmaddox1@hot.rr.com> wrote:
Successfully?
Or did you go the route of Peter Schulman's War, 1/48th-1/35? Or, maybe
original GI Joe dolls?
Each has been played, though not using DS rules... ;->=
The_Beast
Successfully?
Or did you go the route of Peter Schulman's War, 1/48th-1/35? Or, maybe
original GI Joe dolls?
Each has been played, though not using DS rules... ;->=
The_Beast
Well for 1/35th scale DS you'd need about an acre of play area, two
cams, two monitors and the players along with a referee. This is just sick
enough to
work.....)
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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lI tried to stick to
15mm ;-)
Mk
Yeah I know, and being the owner of over 200 tanks in 15mm I'm not one to
criticizing anyone lol.
Don
Don wrote on 10/20/2006 01:25:01 PM:
> Well for 1/35th scale DS you'd need about an acre of play
For those not wanting to be bothered with Google:
http://peterswar.com/
The_Beast
For those not wanting to be bothered with Google:
http://peterswar.com/
The_Beast
Been there many times.......a constant inspiration.
Thanks guy's, for the link.
As for the Star Wars fighter scale, the X-wing used in the WOTC online
rules, looks about 1/4 the size of the Capital ship's.
I hope this not so, as was hoping for cool unit's such as Rogue squadron, say
6 fighter's to a base. Well on the 29th of October we are having a small
wargames show hosted by a local club{ oh really} and Eureka miniature's will
be there, so look's like I will have to sell a kidney to pay for all the
figure's, that so badly need to be adopted, if only Madonna would take a leaf
out of my book and realise that true adoption is company sized.
Yes it's in Australia, and I'm doing a WW2 game in 28mm, yes I would love to
do a stargrunt game, but how do you explain fun and tacics and well priced
figure's and a great sci fi system to kids that only play 40 K, which is about
how much it cost's to collect one of the armies from forge world.LMFAO
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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lI did try to get
them to do SG WW2, but they went with another set of rules.
As for the going 28mm using DS, I do have 40 GZG 28mm resin tanks, and a
couple of hundred figure's, yes there unpainted.{but car park hire to play the
game was to dear} At least Full thrust ships are nice and quick to paint and
look good. james m
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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lOn 10/20/06, Doug
> Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> wrote:
Where've you been hiding? Or did you just forget? :-D I ran a 15mm DS
game at GZG ECC two years ago. Here're a few links to some of the pics:
http://www.warpfish.com/gzgecc/gzgecc8/AAR/gallery/Hudak/index.html
The fact that you ran a game in 15mm doesn't mean you've never succumbed to
the power of even larger scale. Unless you were at Gencon '95(?), you cannot
know the power of a Mark V in 25mm!
However, I'm not your father...
The_Beast
***snippage***
> > I tried to stick to 15mm ;-)
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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lOn 10/23/06, Doug
> Evans <devans@nebraska.edu> wrote:
Easy for me not to succumb to the power of the larger scale(s). :-)
It's all mainly due to willpower, lack of painting ability, and lack of room
in
my apartment to even *think* about storing anything that size. :-D
However, I'm not your father...
And you should thank your lucky stars. :-D
Mk
> Mark V in 25mm scale
I picture Don with a riding lawnmower converted to an Ogre VI...