I think part of my 'sticker shock' reaction to Flames of War is that I am
comparing the AFVs with 20mm plastic kits, particularly the quick build
wargamers' ones that many of the model companies seem to be releasing now
which is a major strength of 20mm â though outside of WW II the kits
available decline sharply â though Emhar do what AFVs you need for the Great
War and there are probably far more modern kits than I am aware of. Oh dear,
you might have persuaded me to take another look at it. Â Yes, TT seems to be
one of those funny European scales that exists in
its own little world (a bit like OO if I stop being anglo-centric for a
moment). Â
I've been looking at FoW (but only have some of the modules--I did buy
the latest edition of "Command Decision"), but have no interest in the models.
Why not use 1:285 minis? Lots of ranges to choose from and I think the game
feels better at that scale.
(Basing that on how Command Decision worked out for me when I ran it
under the first and second editions--it is also a 15mm game, but in
running it with 1:285, ranges for travel and weapons felt more realistic.
IIRC, Frank Chadwick did have one change for the different
scale--either swapping centimeters for inches in doing range, travel,
etc. or the other way around--the opposite of what is listed for the
15mm game in the book.)
> On 4/21/10, Michael R. Blair <pellinoire@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I think part of my 'sticker shock' reaction to Flames of War is that I
What companies produce these 20mm plastic kits for wargaming? And where is a
good place to buy them online?
As Michael said, these are mostly WWII.
Hat in the UK does the Armourfast series:
http://www.hat.com/current99.html
Pegasus Hobbies does its own set:
http://henk.fox3000.com/pegasus.htm (you have to scroll down to see the
fast build kits)
Italeri has also gotten in on this:
http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/reviews_smscale.htm (scroll down to
the italeri section and see the wargaming and fast build sets)
Most web stores that sell 1/72 plastic kits should carry the fast
assembly ones. They're definitely becoming more visible now.
> What companies produce these 20mm plastic kits for wargaming? And
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Hat/Armourfast is one. Kits are on the large side for 1/72 but are
usually 5-6 parts and each box contains 2. Italeri are also doing fast
assemble kits for wargames. These have more parts (about 10-12) and are
again 2 to a box. I have some of each and I must say I prefer the Italeri. A
little more detail and a better fit with my other kit (resins
mostly). However I have used a number of plastic kits for wargame and haven't
had much trouble or damage with them. Some of my old Airfix kits
are coming up on 20 years service. Anyway try looking in your local
hobby/model shop and you should find what you are looking for.
Tony.
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Do the companies identify their wargames friendly kits differently? Or, in the
case of Hat and Italeri, is that pretty much all they make?
Anyway try looking in your local hobby/model shop and you should find
what
> you are looking for.
Thanks, Tony, but my local hobby store is pretty sad. This is why I pretty
much have to buy stuff like this online.
I haven't done much with miniatures in a long time, and I'm looking to get
back into it. This stuff is intriguing.
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it'll say how many there are in the box. If there are 2 models,
they're always going to be the quick-build/wargaming models. The only
exceptions to that rule are Dragon's HMMWVs, which are 2 to a box but have a
lot of tiny fiddly bits. As far as I can tell, the Hat Armourfast line are
all quick-build miniatures. Italeri makes a wide variety of different
models, not just quick-build ones, but their boxes are fairly clearly
marked
as fast-assembly/wargaming if applicable. And as I said before, if
there are 2 in there, it's guaranteed at least one of them will be
quick-build.
These models are available in most hobby stores that sell 1/72 scale
kits. But I've also used a few places online:
www.modelhobbies.co.uk <http://www.modelhobbies.co.uk/>
www.toysoldiers.ca <http://www.toysoldiers.ca/>
www.hannants.co.uk <http://www.hannants.co.uk/>
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Thanks, guys!
Do the companies identify their wargames friendly kits differently? Or, in the
case of Hat and Italeri, is that pretty much all they make?
Anyway try looking in your local hobby/model shop and you should find
what you are looking for.
Thanks, Tony, but my local hobby store is pretty sad. This is why I pretty
much have to buy stuff like this online.
I haven't done much with miniatures in a long time, and I'm looking to get
back into it. This stuff is intriguing.
Oddly I remember wondering that that FoW though going the other way, would it
work with 20mm figures and vehicles? From what I have heard of it though going
the other way as you suggest would be a much better idea as it seems to
produce quite crowded tables. Keeping the ground scale the same would probably
give a more realistic look as well. Â That reminds me, I have some GZG 6mm
stuff that must now be ancient, I must have a look and see what he does now in
that scale. We did not play it much (DS II) but it was fun. Indeed I think 6mm
is a solution to a lot of problems including a desire to dabble with ancients.
Â