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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lHi there!
Long-time lurker, who has finally plucked up some courage after spending
many months silently enjoying the discourse.
I've especially enjoyed the recent gazetteers on the lesser powers in the
Tuffleyverse, but I have a question about one of the big boys (specifically:
The NSL). Apologies to the old stagers if this has been raised before.
- Do we know specifically which countires make up the NSL? The FT
rulebooks are rather vague mentioning "...German and Eastern European
States..." forming the NSL. Would I be right in thinking it is basically
Germany + the old Austro-Hungarian Empire?
I'm asking because my gaming group is planning a FT campaign with yours truly
as the NSL and it would be handy to know for the naming of ships, planets,
admirals, etc.
Steve
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In a message dated 8/20/2006 3:51:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> steven.guy@ntlworld.com writes:
Hi there!
Long-time lurker, who has finally plucked up some courage after
spending many months silently enjoying the discourse.
I've especially enjoyed the recent gazetteers on the lesser powers in the
Tuffleyverse, but I have a question about one of the big boys (specifically:
The NSL). Apologies to the old stagers if this has been raised before.
- Do we know specifically which countires make up the NSL? The FT
rulebooks are rather vague mentioning "...German and Eastern European
States..."
forming the NSL. Would I be right in thinking it is basically Germany +
the old
Austro-Hungarian Empire?
I'm asking because my gaming group is planning a FT campaign with yours
truly as the NSL and it would be handy to know for the naming of ships,
planets, admirals, etc.
Steve
Hey there Steve.. I am engaged in a long term campaign, which my wife's runs
the NSL.. I had gone on my own to incorporate the following countries in to
the NSL boarders.. Of course this is is my own personal flavor..
Portugal, Holland, Poland, Denmark, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belgium
and Netherlands...
Also, I have been working on names of ships by looking up ship names in
history from the net. Ships involved in WW1, WW2 and modern day navies..
If you want my list of ships for all or just NSL, let me know..
Vince
> VinsFullThrust@aol.com wrote:
> Belgium and Netherlands...
I think the NSL composition is somewhere in the canon stuff. I am pretty sure
the Netherlands are independent(don't know about Belgium), and that Portugal
is part of the garlic loving FSE.
It should be in the timeline, but the one at the gzgpedia is not there at the
moment.
Some timeline info can be found at:
http://www.cygnusx1.info/gzg/NatStateGZG.asp
http://www.cygnusx1.info/gzg/gzghist_es.asp
The timeline is in the back of the FT rule book.
Holland/ Netherlands (isn't this the same place) went independent in
2102.
Poland and Czechoslovakia leave the NSL for the ESU. Why they did this when
they neighbour the Romanov Hegemony I don't know. they now are surrounded by 2
hostile blocs and would be difficult for the ESU to support.
I can't see why Portugal would be in the NSL and not the FSE when it
neighbours Spain.
Some other things about this timeline are also interesting...
Why would Australia and NZ invade New Caledonia? The people enjoy being part
of France and there is no mineral wealth worth taking.
NZ could not invade a holiday camp without an invitation, they have no armour
or airpower and no strategic lift capabilities so the infantry would have to
land via a cruise liner as "very large tourist party of 10,000".
Mostly in war's there is a motivation for the aggression, that one I can't
see.
John
So this would only leave Germany, Austria and Hungary, Romania, Albania,
Greece, maybe Turkey in the NSL.
[quoted original message omitted]
Holland is the same place as the Netherlands in the same way that England is
the same place as Britain...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland
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In a message dated 8/21/2006 3:04:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> frits@kuijlman.net writes:
I think the NSL composition is somewhere in the canon stuff. I am pretty sure
the Netherlands are independent(don't know about Belgium), and that Portugal
is part of the garlic loving FSE.
It should be in the timeline, but the one at the gzgpedia is not there at the
moment.
Frits
Yes, typically I would agree.. But as one of the players added, she wanted
Portugal as a buffer to the FSE and explained it the French at the point of 2
fleets housing 2 Maria Von Burgunds each..
As for the Netherlands, I had not recalled anything on them and just simply
had then under NSL influence.
VInce
> From: VinsFullThrust
Questions: a. who is this "she"? Neu Swabia? b. she "wanted Portugal as a
buffer to the FSE". Given that Portugal is on the OTHER side of the FSE from
any of the NSL territories, how could it possibly be a buffer? It might be a
buffer between parts of Spain and
New Atlantis--if there was a New Atlantis in the timeline--but that's
about all. c. were there Maria von Burgunds around when the NSL was
established? d. if so, exactly where did they park them? In Portugal? Rather a
neat trick, I wouldn't have thought the Maria von B's were
atmosphere-capable.
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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lOn 21/08/06, Robert
> N Bryett <rbryett@mail.com> wrote:
Sorry Rob, but England is not the same place as Britain, but don't worry, this
is a common mistake made by not Brits, let me explain (though it gets a tad
complicated...)
Technically there is no country called Britain. The Nations actual name is the
United Kingdom. The UK consists of the territories encompassed by the
geographical term of Great Britain, which are England, Scotland, Wales and
Ulster (Northern Ireland). Britain is a geographical term for the main
landmass of the British isles, on which are found England, Wales and Scotland.
The UK as created early in the eighteenth century with the creation of the
United Kingdom of England and Wales, at which point the nations of England and
Wales ceased to exists, superseded in law by the UK. In the early 1800's
Scotland joined (or was forced at gun point) into the act of Union, the UK
expanded across the whole of Britain. I'm not too clear on Ireland, but
however it was incorporated it never got much choice in the matter, at least
not until 1922 when southern Ireland achieved independence and became the
nation known as Eire.
Now, just to muddy things further, in the last decade Scotland, Wales and
Ulster have all gained regional assemblies and a limited form of home rule,
and therefore are effectively their own nations within the nation of the UK.
England meanwhile has not received any form of home rule and indeed is still
solely ruled by the government of the UK (the one in London). So the current
UK is made up of three nations, Scotland, Wales, and Ulster, and the
Territorial area known as England but which in fact is not a nation in either
international or domestic law. So technically the English international
football, cricket or rugby union teams are illegal as they represent a nation
that does not actually exist.
If this doesn't make sense, then please bear in mind that calling a citizen of
the UK British is liable not to cause too much offence, but calling a Scot
English is liable to get your nose broken. Repeatedly.
The Scots are sore losers...
Cheers,
> On 21/08/06, Robert N Bryett wrote:Holland is the same place as the
Matt replied:
> Sorry Rob, but England is not the same place as Britain
I suspect that was Robert's point--Holland is part, not all, of the
Netherlands.
> Matthew Tope wrote:
He knows. He is saying that Holland is not the same place as the Netherlands.
Holland is smaller, in exactly the same way that England is smaller than
Britain.
> Technically there is no country called Britain. The Nations
That's Great Britain. There is also a Less Britain, or Brittany that sticks
out of France, and is filled with Bretons. (In French
they are "Grande-Bretagne" and "Bretagne".)
> The UK as created early in the eighteenth century with the
Scotland was bankrupt and shared a monarch with England. The Scottish
Parliament voted itself out of existence.
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http://lists.csua.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gzg-lOk, fair enough.
It's just that I seem to run into too many people who make this mistake (not
that Rob did as you point out) so just thought I would clarify things a bit.
No offence intended.
Cheers,
Matt
> On 23/08/06, laserlight@verizon.net <laserlight@verizon.net> wrote: