Hi everyone,
Anyone have any recommendations on a metal primer that can be sprayed through
an airbrush? I usually get some (I believe it's Testors, but could be
mistaken) at the local Hobbytown, but the bottles are very
small.....
Looked at Pep Boys (auto parts store) and they have a quart of primer, it
looke like it can be thinned..... But it's $21 bucks a quart. If it would
work, then fine, but if it wouldn't work through an airbrush, well......
That's a big chunk to just toss away.
Any ideas, I'm open to 'em. Gotta get moving before ECC.....
Auto primer will work for an airbrush, but will require SIGNIFICANT thinning.
It's made very thick with the intention that the painter will be thinning it.
When I was working in the body shop a typical
thin would be at least 1 to 1 paint to thinner, and usually it was 2-4
to 1. I would estimate conservatively that a quart of primer would last you
about 10 years.
Bill
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> .......................When I was working in the body shop a typical
You worked in a body shop?!? Could you take a look at my Mercury Villager?
;->=
Seriously, let me know when you feel the itch again to watch fleets burning
noiselessly in the ether. You name where, and we can use your ships...
The_Beast
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generally primed with whatever the biggest color in the camo pattern was
(e.g., "Sherman Grey" or "MERDC Green") rather than a "metal primer". Every
coat you put on covers some detail, after all.
F.P. Kiesche III "Ah Mr.Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always,
scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented
with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at The
Lensman's Children and TexasBestGrok!
> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us> wrote:
From: Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us>
Subject: [GZG] Metal Primer
To: "'Full Thrust list'" <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 8:05 AM
Hi everyone,
Anyone have any recommendations on a metal primer that can be sprayed through
an airbrush? I usually get some (I believe it's Testors, but could be
mistaken) at the local Hobbytown, but the bottles are very small.....
Looked at Pep Boys (auto parts store) and they have a quart of primer, it
looke like it can be thinned..... But it's $21 bucks a quart. If it would
work, then fine, but if it wouldn't work through an airbrush, well......
That's a big chunk to just toss away.
Any ideas, I'm open to 'em. Gotta get moving before ECC.....
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t I meant to ask for is a primer to spray over bare metal..... not a metallic
colored primer.... sorry.
Something I could run through an airbrush, as opposed to buying a can of spray
paint primer. (Rustoleum comes to mind)
________________________________
From: gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
[mailto:gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Fred
Kiesche
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:50 AM
To: gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [GZG] Metal Primer
I generally primed with whatever the biggest color in the camo pattern was
(e.g., "Sherman Grey" or "MERDC Green") rather than a "metal primer". Every
coat you put on covers some detail, after all.
F.P. Kiesche III "Ah Mr.Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always,
scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented
with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at
The Lensman's Children<http://theeternalgoldenbraid.blogspot.com/> and
TexasBestGrok<http://texasbestgrok.mu.nu/>!
> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us> wrote:
From: Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us>
Subject: [GZG] Metal Primer
To: "'Full Thrust list'" <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 8:05 AM
Hi everyone,
Anyone have any recommendations on a metal primer that can be sprayed through
an airbrush? I usually get some (I believe it's Testors, but could be
mistaken) at the local Hobbytown, but the bottles are very small.....
Looked at Pep Boys (auto parts store) and they have a quart of primer, it
looke like it can be thinned..... But it's $21 bucks a quart. If it would
work, then fine, but if it wouldn't work through an airbrush, well......
That's a big chunk to just toss away.
Any ideas, I'm open to 'em. Gotta get moving before ECC.....
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the "bare metal" a miniature? Then that's what I use: the "base coat" of
whatever camo pattern I'm painting. If it is one solid color (e.g., WWII
Sherman Grey), I "prime' it with that color, then bake it (lead or
pewter only--not plastic!) at 200 degrees F for 20 minutes. This helps
to "set" the paint. Then I do the other colors of the camo pattern, or the
treads, road wheels, baggage, machinegun, etc., etc., etc.
F.P. Kiesche III "Ah Mr.Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always,
scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented
with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at The
Lensman's Children and TexasBestGrok!
> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us> wrote:
From: Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us>
Subject: Re: [GZG] Metal Primer
To: "'gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu'"
<gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:54 AM
What I meant to ask for is a primer to spray over bare metal..... not a
metallic colored primer.... sorry.  Something I could run through an
airbrush, as opposed to buying a can of spray paint primer. (Rustoleum comes
to mind)
From: gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
[mailto:gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Fred
Kiesche
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:50 AM
To: gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [GZG] Metal Primer
I generally primed with whatever the biggest color in the camo pattern was
(e.g., "Sherman Grey" or "MERDC Green") rather than a "metal primer". Every
coat you put on covers some detail, after all.
F.P. Kiesche III "Ah Mr.Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always,
scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented
with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at The
Lensman's Children and TexasBestGrok!
> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us> wrote:
From: Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us>
Subject: [GZG] Metal Primer
To: "'Full Thrust list'" <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 8:05 AM
Hi everyone,
Anyone have any recommendations on a metal primer that can be sprayed through
an airbrush? I usually get some (I believe it's Testors, but could be
mistaken) at the local Hobbytown, but the bottles are very small.....
Looked at Pep Boys (auto parts store) and they have a quart of primer, it
looke like it can be thinned..... But it's $21 bucks a quart. If it would
work, then fine, but if it wouldn't work through an airbrush, well......
That's a big chunk to just toss away.
Any ideas, I'm open to 'em. Gotta get moving before ECC.....
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nts to think on:
Armoury Grey is my favourite primer, followed by Armoury Black and Armoury
White. Grey tends to not lighten up or darken down colours applied over. The
Black darkens down, the white lightens up. Some use the Black as a base to
make the shading easier later.
I have an airbrush, but as I reserve it for acrylics, I'm not keen to run oil
based paints (and primers needing thinning with paint thinner) through it.
Having something you can thin with a bit of water and with a water
cleanup is a good thing. The cleanup with an airbrush using oil-based
paints is a bit more involved and stinky. (Matters to me since I'm in an
apartment).
I prefer dedicated metal primers because some of the minis are fairly smooth
and polished when they arrive and this can make adhesion a challenge. Nothing
worse than painting on four layers of camouflage then dropping the darn thing
and having a huge flake come off the smooth metal surface. Primers tend to
stick even better than conventional paint (hence the name as primer).
There is a valid issue about surface detail and paint layers. It depends a bit
what you are painting. If it was 6mm tanks and figures, I might just try the
'basecoat camo priming' scheme suggested to remove a layer. On 25mm stuff and
even on the 15mm I've painted (and FT ships), I've found a thin and even
application of the Armoury Grey doesn't kill too much, especially if my paints
aren't too thick (and they don't have to be on a primed model if they aren't
cheap paints with weak pigment).
Auto primer is generally a greyish or whitish shade, but I'm not sure what its
particulate sizes are. I suspect auto airbrushes are not the same needle tip
size as modelling airbrushes, so I'm not sure how good of a flow you'd get, or
if it would jam or become a spatter fest. May depend on what needle sizes you
have available and how keen you are to change needle sizes, plus the effort of
thinning per batch at a high ration and so on.
I imagine GW sells a primer spray bomb that is pretty decent. I in the past
tried Testers, but I found the end result very smooth and glossy to let the
next coat adhere well in thin layers (I think that this is a major failing in
a primer actually). So I say Testers is not recommended.
Good luck with your efforts, Sr.Hudak. Now that I have some time off (contract
ended a week or so ago), I'm going to be doing a lot of painting and terrain
construction myself for my events at ECC. Plaster pour moulds for 6mm
buildings are next up. Hopefully they'll turn out well, since the moulds were
drawn from a variety of packaging plastic and I think with some
work I can produce some good sci-fi buildings.
TomB
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m, please tell a little more about this, it sounds interesting.....
> Tom Writes:
Good luck with your efforts, Sr.Hudak. Now that I have some time off (contract
ended a week or so ago), I'm going to be doing a lot of painting and terrain
construction myself for my events at ECC. Plaster pour moulds for 6mm
buildings are next up. Hopefully they'll turn out well, since the moulds were
drawn from a variety of packaging plastic
and I think with some work I can produce some good sci-fi buildings.
> There is a valid issue about surface detail and paint layers. It
As someone who does a lot of 6mm microarmor, the primer I recommend is Tamyia
brand. It has a very light, fine spray that goes on very nicely onto metal
with good adhesion, and still lets all the detail be visible (to give you an
idea, I have a Pz35(t), a czech light tank that I painted up, and you can
still make out, quite clearly, the rivets on the turret. Linky:
http://xveers.deviantart.com/art/Polikarpov-Pass-103714183 ). I
believe they do other colors than just light grey, which is what I use.
Additionally, going with the "primer is basecoat" method is possible
with some armies/navies, but with others, you're very quickly going to
find yourself hamstrung with either the poor adhesion of various colored
sprays, or the limited color selection of proper primers.
As always, your YMMV.
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I've no idea personally, as I havent yet bought an airbrush due to meoney
constraints...
However I've discussed them, and would suggest going to a specific miniature
website with a forum to ask the same question, as I'm in the uk, I generally
use Frothers Unite's forum, I expect the miniatures page message boards would
provide good answers for the US.
Andy
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:04:51 -0800From: recursive_loop@yahoo.comTo:
gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.eduSubject: Re: [GZG] Metal Primer
Is the "bare metal" a miniature? Then that's what I use: the "base coat" of
whatever camo pattern I'm painting. If it is one solid color (e.g., WWII
Sherman Grey), I "prime' it with that color, then bake it (lead or
pewter only--not plastic!) at 200 degrees F for 20 minutes. This helps
to "set" the paint. Then I do the other colors of the camo pattern, or the
treads, road wheels, baggage, machinegun, etc., etc., etc. F.P. Kiesche III
"Ah Mr.Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble, scribble,
scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with Volume 2 of
The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at
The Lensman's Children and TexasBestGrok!--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Hudak,
> Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us> wrote:
From: Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us>Subject: Re: [GZG] Metal
PrimerTo: "'gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu'"
<gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu>Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:54
AM
What I meant to ask for is a primer to spray over bare metal..... not a
metallic colored primer.... sorry.
Something I could run through an airbrush, as opposed to buying a can of spray
paint primer. (Rustoleum comes to mind)
From: gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
[mailto:gzg-l-bounces@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Fred
KiescheSent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:50 AMTo:
gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.eduSubject: Re: [GZG] Metal Primer
I generally primed with whatever the biggest color in the camo pattern was
(e.g., "Sherman Grey" or "MERDC Green") rather than a "metal primer". Every
coat you put on covers some detail, after all. F.P. Kiesche III "Ah Mr.Gibbon,
another damned, fat, square book. Always, scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?"
(The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented with Volume 2 of The Decline and
Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at
The Lensman's Children and TexasBestGrok!--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Hudak,
> Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us> wrote:
From: Hudak, Michael <mihudak@state.pa.us>Subject: [GZG] Metal PrimerTo:
"'Full Thrust list'" <gzg-l@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>Date: Monday, January 26,
2009, 8:05 AMHi everyone,
Anyone have any recommendations on a metal primer that can be sprayed through
an airbrush? I usually get some (I believe it's Testors, but could be
mistaken) at the local Hobbytown, but the bottles are very small.....
Looked at Pep Boys (auto parts store) and they have a quart of primer, it
looke like it can be thinned..... But it's $21 bucks a quart. If it would
work, then fine, but if it wouldn't work through an airbrush, well......
That's a big chunk to just toss away.
Any ideas, I'm open to 'em. Gotta get moving before ECC.....
Mike Hudak There are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand
binary and those who don't.
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ks like GHQ's Terrain Maker! I've done quite a bit of that--but I
painted the edges of the hexes brown to make them blend better when there are
gaps. Â Ah burning tanks, diving planes. Looks like nice day...
F.P. Kiesche III "Ah Mr.Gibbon, another damned, fat, square book. Always,
scribble, scribble, scribble, eh?" (The Duke of Gloucester, on being presented
with Volume 2 of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.) Blogging at The
Lensman's Children and TexasBestGrok!
> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Sylvester M. W. <xveers@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sylvester M. W. <xveers@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GZG] Metal Primer
To: gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:59 PM
> There is a valid issue about surface detail and paint layers. It
As someone who does a lot of 6mm microarmor, the primer I recommend is Tamyia
brand. It has a very light, fine spray that goes on very nicely onto metal
with good adhesion, and still lets all the detail be visible (to give you an
idea, I have a Pz35(t), a czech light tank that I painted up, and you can
still make out, quite clearly, the rivets on the turret. Linky:
http://xveers.deviantart.com/art/Polikarpov-Pass-103714183 ). I
believe they do other colors than just light grey, which is what I use.
Additionally, going with the "primer is basecoat" method is possible
with some armies/navies, but with others, you're very quickly going to
find yourself hamstrung with either the poor adhesion of various colored
sprays, or the limited color selection of proper primers.
As always, your YMMV.
> Fred Kiesche wrote:
> and TexasBestGrok <http://texasbestgrok.mu.nu/>!
Yeah, painting the edges is this fall's major project...