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From: Oerjan Ariander <orjan.ariander1@comhem.se>
To: gzg-l@vermouth.csua.berkeley.edu
Sent: Friday, 11 July, 2008 8:59:15 AM
Subject: [GZG] [OT] BB, was Re: GW and...
> Eric Foley wrote:
> ... Then some monstrosity called the Living Rulebook came out, which
The basic idea of making the updated rulebook available as a free.pdf download
is laudable (quite a few people are complaining that GZG
*hasn't*
done this with FT yet <g>), and so is putting the proposed rules changes up
for discussion and feedback on the Specialist Games BB web forum (kinda
reminiscent of how this mailing list operates... <g>).
I think it would be great if GZG put together a rulebook containing the rules
out of the original rulebook, the bits from MT and the fleet books into a PDF.
You don't need to upgrade to FT 3 but just to have a set of rules in one book
would be great and significantly lower the entry barrier to new players. I
would also like to see new SSDs for the new models, like in the fleet books
and then a quick paragrpah or 2 of background about the introduction of this
ship and any notable missions or examples. There are now way more models than
there are published ship SSDs so you can't even have a FTverse canon campaign
with the manufactured models. There could then be a structured discussion
about the rules people liked
and didn't like that could then be incorporated into a release / patch.
This might work alongside the separate playtesters list.
John Tailby wrote.
> The basic idea of making the updated rulebook available as a free .pdf
> rules out of the original rulebook, the bits from MT and the fleet
You don't need to upgrade to FT3, but it'd be very nearly as much work to
reconcile all the partly-contradicting and partly-superceding rules from
the four existing books and editing it into a legible whole as it would be
to actually write FT3. What's worse, only a small part of the FT2/FB
consolidation editing work would be useful for FT3 - most of it would
have
to be done all over again :-( Which is why it hasn't been done
"officially" yet.
(There are several *un*official FT2/FB/house rule consolidation works
floating around the 'net... but all the ones I've seen so far have included
quite a lot of house rules, and none of them states which bits are house
rules and which come from the "official" books :-( )
> I would also like to see new SSDs for the new models, like in the fleet
> books and then a quick paragrpah or 2 of background about the
You mean like the beta-test rules and stats for UNSC, ORC, IF, NI, OUDF
and IJSF published on Star Ranger's site, along with the "canonical" stats
(which essentially merely means "the stats I sculpted the models to
represent") for the latest Kra'Vak ships? They've been there for quite a
while now... <http://www.star-ranger.com/FullThrust.htm>
> There could then be a structured discussion about the rules people
That's precisely what we hoped for when the beta-test pages went up. We
haven't had very much feedback on them though...
Regards,
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Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 5:25 PM, John Tailby <john_tailby@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
> I think it would be great if GZG put together a rulebook containing
This may not have everything on your wish list, but it is a start:
http://downloads.groundzerogames.net/FTLrules.pdf
> I would also like to see new SSDs for the new models, like in the
This isn't all of them, but it's a start:
http://www.groundzerogames.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=categor
y§ionid=7&id=30&Itemid=40
I believe Dean Gundberg has been spearheading developing the new unofficial
SSDs since these were put up. Last I checked he was working on the whole of
the new NSL ships. I *believe* he has the NAC, ESU and possibly FSE done?
Can't remember...
In any event, these are only test SSDs, no fluff as yet.
The Beta ORC and UNSC, as well as some other, non-major powers, do have
full pages, with fluff.
http://www.star-ranger.com/ORCpreview.htm
http://www.star-ranger.com/UNSCpreview.htm
http://nift.firedrake.org/Alpha/NIAlpha.html
http://mysite.verizon.net/laserlight/ft/if.htm
http://ijsf.firedrake.org/
Granted, not ALL of the non-major powers have ships. Yet.
Mk
Oerjan wrote in reply to John Tailby:
> >
Well, I did nearly all that work about a year ago, editing
together FT2, MT, FB1, and the new non-alien bits from FB2
into a single volume. (Suitable for space combat only: I
got the interface rules for space/ground transport wrong,
they need to be updated by somebody who plays SG/DS.)
If GZG want to put the PDF on their website for download then I'll give it to
them for free. Or GZG can give me permission to put it on my website. I'll
even promise not
to slip in any of my own new ideas :-)
I think it would be an improvement on expecting new players to read all four
books and figure out which bits belong where. And since I've already done the
work, it's not going to slow down FT3.
cheers,
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ellent idea Hugh.
Well, I did nearly all that work about a year ago, editing
together FT2, MT, FB1, and the new non-alien bits from FB2
into a single volume. (Suitable for space combat only: I
got the interface rules for space/ground transport wrong,
they need to be updated by somebody who plays SG/DS.)
If GZG want to put the PDF on their website for download then I'll give it to
them for free. Or GZG can give me permission to put it on my website. I'll
even promise not
to slip in any of my own new ideas :-)
I think it would be an improvement on expecting new players to read all four
books and figure out which bits belong where. And since I've already done the
work, it's not going to slow down FT3..
   cheers,    Hugh
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> jan Ariander wrote:
On the other hand, that book might be turned into a commercial product and
sold as FT 2.5. Possibly just as a PDF release. It might be pushed into stores
with some sort of media blitz. Hire an artist and anthologize Rot Hafen and
Beth's Kra'vak War stories? License a graphic
novel and you've struck marketing gold.
Depends on what Jon wants to do with the business I suppose..