[GZG] Little Big horn was: Points systems

5 posts ยท Jan 11 2006 to Jan 12 2006

From: KH.Ranitzsch@t... (K.H.Ranitzsch)

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:10:06 +0100

Subject: Re: [GZG] Little Big horn was: Points systems

Beth.Fulton@csiro.au schrieb:
> [quoted text omitted]

> On top of which the example you gave (Isandalwala and Little Big Horn)

Actually, weren't many of the Indians at Little Big Horn equipped with
better weapons than the cavalry (repeating rifles versus single-shot) ?

Greetings Karl Heinz

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:41:35 +0100

Subject: Re: [GZG] Little Big horn was: Points systems

> On 1/11/06, K.H.Ranitzsch <kh.ranitzsch@t-online.de> wrote:
?

There were a significant number of Indians carrying repeating weapons, mostly
carbines. The US Army's advantage over the Indians was and always was
discipline, logistics, and training.

From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@m...>

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:07:25 +1100

Subject: RE: [GZG] Little Big horn was: Points systems

G'day,

> There were a significant number of Indians carrying repeating weapons,

Learn something everyday;)

So in say a SG game "inspired" by the US Army-Indian run in. How would
you list the two side's troop quality and tech. Both AARs, but one runs the
risk of ammo shortages and has a lower average squad rating?

Cheers

From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson@y...>

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:52:48 +0100

Subject: Re: [GZG] Little Big horn was: Points systems

> On 1/11/06, Beth.Fulton@csiro.au <Beth.Fulton@csiro.au> wrote:

(warning: gross generalization here)
Indians, like many other non-Western cultures, had a problem sticking
in a fight that looked bad. If the situation appeared to go bad, they had a
tendency to pack it in and go home, or else to not press the attack as
aggressively as they should have. They also reacted poorly to the loss of a
leader.

The Indians would have extremely uneven weaponry. You might have everything
from AAR to reflex bows in a single band. The majority would actually be
obsolete firearms or civillian weapons.

http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/redriver/weapons.html

There is a discussion here which claims that Indians were reluctant to close
the range during engagements, and that the Springfield.45
(which was more accurate and long-range) was far more effective than
the repeating rifles at the ranges at which fights actually occured. Remember
that large stretches of the terrain fought over were plains.

http://www.cr.nps.gov/mwac/libi/firearm.html

This is the study of the firearms and rounds found at Little Bighorn. While
true that there were Henry and Winchester repeaters present on the Indian
side, 48 types of ammunition were found, counting metal and stone arrowheads
as one type. These included round balls fired by archaic muzzleloading
smoothbores.

From: Beth Fulton <beth.fulton@m...>

Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:13:43 +1100

Subject: RE: [GZG] Little Big horn was: Points systems

G'day,

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Thanks John!